Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe12.iad.POSTED!5add8c32!not-for-mail From: tisue@cs.nwu.edu (Seth Tisue) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 Originator: news.teranews.net.org (Seth Tisue) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Style Police (a rant) References: <4E6CFF65.4060802@telia.com> <4E6DBD5D.6020604@telia.com> <98ab45c0-2a9e-4f09-8e11-d128d6ebe206@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com> <4e811dee$0$1671$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astraweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 381 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:56:26 UTC Organization: TeraNews.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:55:50 -0600 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:8363 comp.lang.java.help:1141 comp.lang.lisp:6048 Jane Doe wrote: $$_>Derbyshire (spazums) caused to wish: $$_> $$_>>On Sep 23, 1:54 pm, Joe Attardi wrote: $$_>>> On Sep 13, 12:59 am, Retahiv Oopsiscame wrote: $$_>>> $$_>>> > None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at $$_>>> > all true. $$_>>> $$_>>> Holy cow! This guy hasn't changed one bit (except a new fake name, I $$_>>> see). $$_>> $$_>>Neither have you, it seems. And who's idiot enough to use his real $$_>>name on the internet? $$_>> $$_>Plenty of "normal" Usenet posters do this daily, right here in cjlp also. $$_>You did too, once. Thinking one and all would fall for that display $$_>of stupidity of the event has become the rope that hangs you, Paul. $$_>http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C49223bfe%240%2490264%2414726298%40news.sunsite.dk%3E $$_>Proving (to you) one cannot TROLL Usenet using their own name. $$_>Only full blown IDIOTS try it. $$_> $$_>The very same IDIOTs use Google Groups "hiding". LOL $$_>IP address: 74.12.180.78 $$_>Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per $$_>toroon63nszp05.srvr.bell.ca.] $$_>City (per outside source): Toronto, Ontario $$_> $$_>Same DNS as Paul G Derbyshire of Bennet St, Pembroke. $$_>How strange is that ? $$_> $$_>>> Paul Derbyshire! It's been years! Still trolling well, I see. $$_>> $$_>>Who the hell are you talking about? There's nobody here by that name. $$_>> $$_>Not in posting ID, sure, but you sure live and breathe, Paul[..]albeit with $$_>the aid of a freebie Shrink and a host of stabilising freebie drugs! $$_> $$_>>On the other hand, we might make some deductions from your accusation. $$_>> $$_>Oh do .. tale your classic erroneous presuppositions and build yourself a $$_>dream. $$_> $$_>>The people trolling here seem to be Jane Doe, $$_>> $$_>Definitely. Wholly FLOWN (flag) stamped, signed, delivered by registered post. $$_>And? You are going to do what about that, Derbyshire Troll. $$_> $$_>>kaffelatte, $$_>> $$_>Whomever the fuck that poster is you best get some proof before some k00k (one $$_>of your other names) threatens suit for defamation! LOL $$_> $$_>>and you, for the most part. $$_>> $$_>Attardi hasn't been here five minutes. You are quick to judge or recognise $$_>yourself easily LOL $$_>http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=0zXIyhkAAADfXj-vwhd9j4wh1TzPUDmwMZdjjkHRqd2dfOv7c9ZT9A $$_> $$_>>Maybe also thoolen. $$_>> $$_>oh cute. Not. Denial. Paul? $$_> $$_>>(The rest seem to be either normal $$_>>or misinformed, rather than actively and intentionally trolling.) $$_>> $$_>From your record - all traceable to YOU. $$_> $$_>Murphy's List: $$_> $$_>.--- . ... ..- ... $$_>00101010 $$_>3k7e4intna <3k7e4intna@se0tfbhc.k3y0a.p0z> $$_>3x7r4vagan <3x7r4vagan@fr0gsoup.x3l0n.c0m> $$_>3x+r4v4g4n $$_>Alice $$_>Arne Kėndoj $$_>Boojum $$_>B1ll Gat3s $$_>A Canuck $$_>Canuck $$_>ClassCastException $$_>Cthun $$_>Chad Carmichael $$_>dA.b0mB $$_>dark-zark-fark $$_>Deep Green (forgery) $$_>Deeyana $$_>De Lurker $$_>Derek Yancey $$_>Extravagan $$_>Ferdinand the -14th $$_>Fuschia, President-Elect of the Bright Purplish-Green Council $$_> $$_>George Arctos $$_>Greg Kelly $$_>Greg Sandoval $$_>Gheerax IV $$_>Handkea fumosa $$_>Hieronymus S. Freely $$_>Hydrocon $$_>Henry Harrison $$_>Henderson $$_>Heike Svensson $$_>Harry Greer $$_>Janie Zanie $$_>Jerry Gerrone $$_>John Kirkpatrick XVII $$_>Katie Gerrolds $$_>Kevin Hadron $$_>kensi $$_>KitKat $$_>Meerkats (forgery) $$_>Mister Scott $$_>Mrs. Danforth $$_>Mike Faramis $$_>Mamac $$_>Nancy 3 $$_>Nancy 4 (forgery) $$_>Nebulous $$_>Nightcrawler $$_>Nougat Surprise $$_>Orange Green $$_>Purpleswandir $$_>Retahiv Oopsiscame $$_>RichB $$_>scuzwalla@gmail.com $$_>SFTV_troll $$_>Some Guy $$_>Sulfide Eater $$_> $$_>Spock $$_>Series Expansion $$_>Seamus MacRae $$_>Snicker-snack! $$_>Tim $$_>Thursday's Leftovers $$_>thoolen $$_>thoolen $$_>thoolen $$_> $$_>Willy Wonka $$_>Zapotec $$_> $$_>>And you're probably not referring to yourself. $$_>> $$_>And you are again chatting to yourself, likely. $$_>See how easy it is to put thoughts up, with no $$_>basis. Anyone can do that, nothing at all "clever " about it. $$_> $$_>>Perhaps that Jane Doe wacko? $$_>> $$_> $$_>All are "whacko" except you, Paul. How true that is it your $$_>view of the World. A "for Free" view I would add. $$_> $$_>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $$_>%%%From: Cthun $$_>%%%Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer $$_>%%%Subject: Re: Style Police (a rant) $$_>%%%Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:34:04 -0400 $$_>%%%Organization: Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn $$_>%%%Lines: 69 $$_>%%%Message-ID: $$_>%%%References: $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_><681a23e5-2c6d-47e1-9625-4d63062210df@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_><31be6d6b-3026-4767-a188-5f233a44cbf2@d18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> $$_> $$_><82ad7095-9bc3-4308-b246-12b8e2dc7f0c@j19g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> $$_>%%%NNTP-Posting-Host: jVlFgd7MEyiszfldUFZt8g.user.speranza.aioe.org $$_>%%%Mime-Version: 1.0 $$_>%%%Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed $$_>%%%Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $$_>%%%X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org $$_>%%%User-Agent: WinVN 0.99.12z (x86 32bit) $$_>%%%X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 $$_>%%%Bytes: 3893 $$_>%%% $$_>%%%On 26/09/2011 6:13 PM, Retahiv Oopsiscame wrote: $$_>%%%> On Sep 17, 7:36 pm, Cthun wrote: $$_>%%%>> On 16/09/2011 6:26 AM, Retahiv Oopsiscame wrote: $$_>%%%>>> On Sep 15, 10:37 am, Cthun wrote: $$_>%%%>>>> [calls me a liar] $$_>%%%>> $$_>%%%>>> No! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me $$_>%%%>>> are at all true. $$_>%%%>> $$_>%%%>> What?? Where did I call you a liar? $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> Two posts ago. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%I did not. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>> Lisps tend to accrue fairly standard libraries of third-party macros $$_>%%%>> everyone learns to recognize. $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> More complexity to learn. And this stuff is supposed to make the $$_>%%%> programmer's job *easier*? $$_>%%% $$_>%%%All programming languages and libraries have "complexity to learn". $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>> And of course you usually have access to the macro's source. $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> "Having access to" and "being able to read and understand" can $$_>%%%> sometimes be worlds apart. In my years of working with other peoples' $$_>%%%> code, I've seen shit that will turn you white. Also check out The $$_>%%%> Daily WTF. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%Fortunately, standard library macros don't tend to be terrible like that $$_>%%%-- at least for open source implementations. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>> The ability to define functions or classes already suffices to allow $$_>%%%>> programmers to turn a language into a Tower of Babel, $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> Call semantics for functions are well defined -- argument evaluation, $$_>%%%> etc. Those for macros are pretty much arbitrary -- whatever the macro $$_>%%%> author intended. (Or didn't, but caused anyway.) $$_>%%% $$_>%%%A specious argument. What a function's results are is just as arbitrary, $$_>%%%but we accept functions. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>> yet nearly all languages allow user-defined functions and/or classes in $$_>%%%>> some form or another, and ones that allow neither are considered archaic $$_>%%%>> and crippled. $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> A car without an automatic ignition would also be considered archaic $$_>%%%> and crippled; that doesn't mean a car without a satellite radio would $$_>%%%> be. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%What about one without fuel injection? $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>>> Something familiar in how you write. You remind me of someone I had a $$_>%%%>>> very long argument with here, long ago. Appropriately, his name was $$_>%%%>>> "Bent". $$_>%%%>> $$_>%%%>> [implied insult deleted] $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me $$_>%%%> are at all true. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%WTF?? $$_>%%% $$_>%%%>> Quick quiz: $$_>%%%> $$_>%%%> I finished school a while ago. Go fuck yourself. $$_>%%% $$_>%%%Okay. I think maybe we're done here. $$_> $$_>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $$_>%%%From: 3x7r4vagan <3x7r4vagan@fr0gsoup.x3l0n.c0m> $$_>%%%Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy $$_>%%%Subject: Re: Mark Morgan, World Class Moron $$_>%%%Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:30:26 -0400 $$_>%%%Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server $$_>%%%Lines: 10 $$_>%%%Message-ID: $$_>%%%References: $$_><7fe64ec7-ef08-413c-bf6f-420bc4da5722@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> $$_><201105231650.UTC.ire397$1h1$1@tioat.net> $$_><4e6e6204$0$26575$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com> $$_> $$_><27gt67950o8lm00jvsq1ku4ssthngobo98@4ax.com> $$_><376392c1-6fdb-45e7-a4e2-b8b79597a671@14g2000prv.googlegroups.com> $$_><4740775gubij1hmnamisspk0876tdk5t3t@4ax.com> $$_> $$_> $$_> $$_><96e3341e-ec46-4676-aef4-b1383885bba9@et6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> $$_> $$_><4a9d1296-2a30-4596-91fe-5f2c532048aa@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> $$_> $$_> $$_>%%%NNTP-Posting-Host: jVlFgd7MEyiszfldUFZt8g.user.speranza.aioe.org $$_>%%%Mime-Version: 1.0 $$_>%%%Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed $$_>%%%Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $$_>%%%X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org $$_>%%%User-Agent: WinVN 0.99.12z (x86 32bit) $$_>%%%X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 $$_>%%% $$_>%%%On 19/09/2011 10:15 PM, tholen@antispam.ham wrote: $$_>%%%> A Canuck, 3x7r4vagan, and thoolen, all posting from the same $$_>%%%> host within 5 minutes of each other, to the same newsgroup, $$_>%%% $$_>%%%What does that coincidence have to do with OS/2, tholenbot? $$_>%%% $$_>%%%> and all sharing the same misattribution problem: $$_>%%% $$_>%%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2, $$_>%%%tholoon? $$_>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $$_> $$_>Your behavior, Paul, is beyond ludicrous in the mind of the informed $$_>observer. What it is in your head which directs your thinking $$_>of the World out there owing you a stage littered with fools for you $$_>to toy with at will is a total mystery, one I would wager even your shrink $$_>struggles with. $$_>It is not the responsibility of anyone using Usenet to provide you with a $$_>free psycho analysis, hand feeding you a "cure". This as not only is it $$_>that the lies you publish would cloud such a diagnosis but the worth of $$_>professional assessment in a text only environment is as of much value $$_>(real worth) as the opinions of one of your holed socks! $$_>http://i51.tinypic.com/28us11y.jpg $$_> $$_>It is very clear you have not grown beyond knowing your activity is $$_>archived, is traceable, and is yours. $$_>"Retahiv Oopsiscame" $$_>is the name you used to argue with "blmblm@myrealbox.com" $$_>[http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=131612707500] $$_>all the while leaping the thread with; $$_>"Jerry Gerrone" [http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=131613873900] $$_>"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is most appropriate for you to $$_>have some fun with. $$_> $$_>Article = $$_>http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc51ff61e-ddfa-424f-af4a-87efb416e983%4035g2000pry.googlegroups.com%3E $$_>Google Archive = $$_>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.off-topic/msg/58b746e6ae52c1ff?dmode=source $$_>Parent Thread = $$_>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.off-topic/browse_thread/thread/8d3076ce3870be2b/58b746e6ae52c1ff?q=author:roopsisc%40gmail.com $$_> $$_> $$_>Today you believe it is "safe" to pop the name again, sad mad prat. $$_>Whois "Retahiv Oopsiscame ' --->http://preview.tinyurl.com/Derbysh-reTrolls $$_> $$_>I gather even you are capable of joining the dots, Derbyshire? $$_> $$_>IP address: 76.64.158.18 $$_>Reverse DNS: bas13-kitchener06-1279303186.dsl.bell.ca. $$_>City: Toronto, Ontario $$_> $$_>From: Retahiv Oopsiscame $$_>Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer $$_>Subject: Re: Style Police (a rant) $$_>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) $$_>Message-ID: $$_><19a1f215-7fa0-434e-a517-c260f600b495@l10g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> $$_>NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.54.8.115 $$_> $$_>IP address: 70.54.8.115 $$_>Reverse DNS: bas1-ottawa10-1177946227.dsl.bell.ca. $$_>City : Montreal, Quebec $$_>Country : CA [Canada] $$_> $$_>Give this your best shot at maths, Paul, you're the expert; $$_>http://66.39.71.195/Derbyshire/hypergal.html $$_>Do build the audience a picture from how it is 32 months after $$_>"Retahiv Oopsiscame" posts from your neighbourhood $$_>in "chat" with your "Jerry Gerrone" sock, the identical ID is used to $$_>again "chat" with you mimicking the performance you put out now as $$_>"Cthun" - not at all dismissing you are using a SMTP DNS you are $$_>not permitted to use - what is the logical possibility of such an $$_>event being sheer coincidence, Paul? $$_>Two entirely disconnected identities being addressed by the same $$_>persona who, using the same argumentative approach $$_>and the same "bait/switch" presentation fills the group with $$_>rants of self-proclamation rants (airs and graces). $$_>Give up the numbers, Paul. $$_>Crunch them down. $$_>You got all night.. and no neighbors! $$_>http://i51.tinypic.com/28us11y.jpo $$_> $$_>"Retahiv Oopsiscame" goes on the list. $$_> $$_>Attardi best come up with something new or that ID too $$_>I add to "Murpohy's List". Jolly well done! Well past time that Jave wannabe pest got his comeuppance.