Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Gene Wirchenko Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: How to develop without an IDE? Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 10:19:46 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <17227321.23.1335224680979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvd8> <4f9ca79d$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f9f4791$0$285$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="wKah3EH8kutwAOV6+9FiEQ"; logging-data="31603"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/6tvES/CE8ziG9SaJA7oLXUZis/RI9WZA=" X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 Cancel-Lock: sha1:L2Xqqe5J5vjRvJZnvibf/fDkE2k= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:14082 On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:16:47 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >On 4/29/2012 11:32 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:29:45 -0400, Arne Vajhøj >> wrote: >> >>> On 4/25/2012 12:10 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:07:48 -0300, Arved Sandstrom >>>> wrote: >>>>> Does someone's career - let's say current job - *depend* on knowing Ant? >>>>> I doubt it, not in and of itself. But if I had someone working for me as >>>>> a Java developer, unless they were an absolute newbie I'd look askance >>>>> at them not knowing certain things by a certain point in their >>>>> professional development. >>>> >>>> Given that there are so many tools out there, I would not take >>>> such an attitude. >>> >>> You should. >>> >>> You need to distinguish between any tool and tools that are very >>> widely used. >> >> Very widely used does not mean everywhere. I would be curious as >> to why he does not know the tool. For al I know, it might be that the >> unusual tools worked better than the usual tools on the projects that >> the person had worked on. Or maybe, he just had no choice in the >> matter. > >Who would hire somebody that only know about a very specific and highly >unusual environment? You keep putting twists in your responses. I did not say "only"; you have just added it. >>> It is not a problem not to know anything about some rare obscure tool, >>> but knowing tools that are used by 50% or 30% of all Java developers >>> is a problem. >> >> So the 50% to 70% who do not use a tool should still know it? >> Rather a waste of time. > >Where do you get "50% to 70% who do not use a tool" from? Simple negation. If 30% to 50% of all Java developers use certain tools, then 100%-30% to 100%-50% (= 70% to 50% which normalises to 50% to 70%) do not. >With 30%-50% usage for both ant and Maven that sounds impossible. 1) Overlap. Some use both. 2) It was your figure. Perhaps, you got it wrong. This is not normally a big deal, but when you keep hammering on a point, it would be nice if you had your facts straight. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko