X-Received: by 10.66.85.229 with SMTP id k5mr622344paz.18.1359563530246; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.187.133 with SMTP id fs5mr773422igc.12.1359563530182; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!169.228.66.3.MISMATCH!ihnp4.UCSD.Edu!nntp.ucr.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!ld4no4942323pbb.0!news-out.google.com!6ni25163pbd.1!nntp.google.com!ld4no4942319pbb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.28.149.29; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.28.149.29 References: <9cjaay28305u$.ia3u2ecf1zrd.dlg@40tude.net> <51088d45$0$292$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Editable issues From: Lew Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:32:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:21872 Arved Sandstrom wrote: > Arne Vajh=EF=BF=BDj wrote: > > I strongly suspect that it is not: > > lack of GUI builder tools =3D> desire to hand write Swing code > > but instead: > > desire to hand write Swing code =3D> lack of GUI builder tools >=20 > If I parse your English correctly, Arne, you're suggesting that folks=20 > *prefer* to code Swing directly rather than make use of GUI builder=20 > interfaces? No, he's suggesting that in this particular case the person might be delibe= rately=20 doing it by hand. I guess programmers do that when they want to learn what = they're=20 actually doing. > Man, I'm not sure I buy that. I've suffered through writing Swing code=20 > from scratch a few times, I don't see how it's any more useful to do=20 > that than hand-coding JSF Facelets .xhtml and backing bean boilerplate.= =20 > Which is to say, not useful at all. You gain nothing over using GUI=20 > builder tools, and you lose time better spent on real logic. Yes, even you have written Swing by hand. What's so odd that others might a= lso? Didn't the experience teach you about Swing? That wasn't useful? --=20 Lew