Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.185.16.MISMATCH!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:13:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:13:13 -0700 From: Patricia Shanahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java puzzler References: <871987d9-1034-441d-9d33-b2dd6b4de234@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.8.126.96 X-Trace: sv3-PN8NS2ok9gM9J3X4bvF9SChIFaHGA7Ag2e5tP7Fqo4PhIFP6NAMrAVDeXJSByQzS9Acdf6pcvcc+j20!MPjQ76zf0Kg9neOdiB7Gbq/sl2Wm/R0d9y1AhzKEkFGtPJWzdRn1I/1ZK+uD63/7do+LLrBE70Bm!MuItOiW0fBktp+3yEXQcAMeK+plhkdnJxfZ6tuYZTdc= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2312 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:4013 On 5/12/2011 5:35 AM, Lew wrote: ... > Telling yourself that Lew has a "magical ability" is a foolish fiction. > I just am not lazy about the JLS. Maybe Patricia has one; I can believe > that. Not me. I'm smart, but the key is I'M AT LEAST TRYING! I'm not a useful data point for this discussion. The writers of the JLS benefited from the multiple decades of language specification writing the preceded it. For example, the syntax notation is a descendant of the BNF notation in the Algol 60 report. Before I started learning Java I had a combination of formal education and practical, on-the-job experience in reading and applying programming language specifications. When I started reading the JLS it was just a new instance of a familiar type of document. There is no way for any of us, myself included, to know how easy or difficult I would have found the JLS if I had read it without that background. Patricia