Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:40:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:39:58 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: proper use of .java files (layout) References: <41e38b5a-2aa7-43a4-9bc8-87e0eb4a977c@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 68 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-9jac8fXgR74z1TPse2svAxpBFobhvCFteOZRMQS2oylYs3mqwXKJfSKffGI5XVrM44+icvJadr/MvNu!uyEOLzJ66/CZk7SL+e5W1uYYiwWXdLKxhjXVUPcfnJKO20xFIMnk/kvwpTVnyMBd80AzY8icOrw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3807 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:20471 On 18/12/12 19:12, Eric Sosman wrote: > On 12/18/2012 12:39 PM, lipska the kat wrote: >> On 18/12/12 17:21, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:27:28 +0000, lipska the kat >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 18/12/12 16:07, Eric Sosman wrote: >>>>> On 12/18/2012 10:05 AM, lipska the kat wrote: >>>>>> On 18/12/12 14:32, infinitum3d@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>>> Yes, start writing code >>>> What do you suggest he does, Sit there twiddling his fingers. >>> >>> I suggest that designing comes before writing code. >> >> I agree ... but if you are suggesting that you do all the designing >> before you start to write a line of code then I humbly suggest that that >> approach is fundamentally and profoundly flawed. > > Gene does not appear to take any such position, I'm sure 'Gene' can speak for himself. >and I most certainly do not. Glad to hear it > One need not (usually cannot) complete > all of the design ahead of time, because the implementation > process itself will produce surprises pleasant and unpleasant, > and these can be "learning opportunities." Knuth suggests the > learning can be so valuable that it can be a Good Thing to lose > all the code partway through development! (TAOCP section 1.4.1) Yeees, and how many MD's, clients and other stake holders/bill payers will fall for that one. You're not an academic by any chance are you. I employed an academic once ... he lasted three days, couldn't even get Eclipse to work. Or maybe I'm being an ass again. > However, the fraction of design to be completed before > embarking on construction need not be an integer. You HAVE to be an academic, only an academic would come out with that one. > When you > propose "all" as the only alternative to "none," you are being > silly. I wasn't claiming any such thing, I was asking a question, or is THAT also trolling now. > When you claim that people who disagree with you > subscribe to that false dichotomy, you are being an ass. Ah, name calling, how quaint. Really I expected better that this 'Gene' seems to be vaguely grounded in reality but you are all negative so far. Shame lipska -- Lipska the KatŠ: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun