Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!216.196.110.144.MISMATCH!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:55:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:55:45 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java servlet on browsers: dying or kicking ? References: <50d892e5$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dbf6d1$0$80176$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50dcfecc$0$292$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dd5b51$0$80184$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <3-ydnZvnstrUl0PNnZ2dnUVZ8rqdnZ2d@bt.com> <50de2529$0$289$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> In-Reply-To: <50de2529$0$289$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-BMRxClzAufyD5hqHIkwxKcp+YQMpqzl9wl+047Ws64iZWCC1xPtB30yBg8tyUSRhhW9EeLWhgvYfubw!DUq5yGhn+BbRwY/od1J/sWvHcc1gePCgJBPElbi6m61IHPkL9fLA5fNOVvGNoM9OLQt0/hKBw5U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3039 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:20791 On 28/12/12 23:02, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/28/2012 4:08 PM, lipska the kat wrote: >> On 28/12/12 20:22, Robert Klemme wrote: >>> On 28.12.2012 18:50, lipska the kat wrote: >>>> I spend much of my working life translating a clients business >>>> processes >>>> into something that can run on a computer and the trend is now more >>>> than >>>> ever away from a strictly web based process and towards systems that >>>> are >>>> completely independent of delivery mechanism. >> >>> This sounds exactly like the use case JEE was intended for. >> >> Well yes, I remember early days writing EJB deployment descriptors by >> hand. What a hideous nightmare that was. > > They could be generate by IDE's. Hmm, we are talking Weblogic version '3.something or other' here, around 1998 I seem to remember. Eclipse didn't exist, we had IBMs Visual Age for Java but that was ... truly awful and it certainly didn't have the ability to generate EJB Deployment descriptors. These were the days when you had to implement Entity Bean primary keys by hand > Or they could be generated by xdoclet. Well the earliest reference I can find to xdoclet is 2002 so we probably didn't have that option. Anyway, I think most early adopters of EJB would agree that developing EJBs and keeping track of all the files involved was a frustrating experience. lipska -- Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun