Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:44:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java servlet on browsers: dying or kicking ? References: <50d892e5$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dbf6d1$0$80176$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50dcfecc$0$292$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dd5b51$0$80184$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50de2260$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50df9c4b$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <2--dnSzM_qkbO3TNnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d@bt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-uS5Ly0c/daXFt2+mfx+t3CO48E0hZC9xfIdhqw+UVQjRKrrcfkihMeqv0ZVs5oxb1BS6UOBYBHlya0T!mcUGvyR9Xe0JmuBrd6inMPkPgSPW0vxiAXvrNAvUf28/vlWj0uqn6nDYg8j5ksrhcq3hAgQ7kDM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4423 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:21052 On 06/01/13 17:46, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > On 01/06/2013 12:29 PM, lipska the kat wrote: >> On 06/01/13 14:29, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>> On 01/06/2013 06:27 AM, lipska the kat wrote: >>>> On 05/01/13 00:22, Richard Maher wrote: >>>>> "Arved Sandstrom" wrote in message >>>>> news:nUoEs.1$Z03.0@newsfe23.iad... >>>>>> On 12/29/2012 09:43 PM, Arne Vajh�j wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>> But let's say they put all the business rules in the Business Layer >>>>> implemented in a Java or C# class. Who is going to inforce thos rules >>>>> from >>>>> PHP Perl or Python access? >>>> >>>> This is a spurious argument. Any organization that allows unfettered >>>> access to it's data by random clients written in unsupported languages >>>> deserves everything it gets. >>> >>> Putting it another way, this is not a technical issue >> >> You argue that putting all the business rules in a single layer [of some >> system] is bad because it does not prevent other access methods from >> doing bad things with your business[data] > > No, that wasn't any argument of mine. but ... but ... please allow the the indulgence of quoting you "But let's say they put all the business rules in the Business Layer implemented in a Java or C# class. Who is going to inforce thos rules from PHP Perl or Python access" I'm not sure how else to interpret this, maybe you could help me out ! >>> If you use a characterization like "tiers/layers/whatever" you are not >>> in a position to discuss the problem. Yes, English can be a tricky language can't it, it was just a bit of shorthand and was designed to indicate to you that I was aware of other threads/sub-threads in comp.lang.java.programmer that discuss the apparent meanings of words like 'tier' and 'layer' and how not having a well defined and agreed meaning for these words, can cause misunderstandings in discussions such as these. What I should have said was something like 'tier, layer or other meaningful word to describe the particular abstraction that we are currently discussing' apologies, I'll try to be more precise in future. >> >> If you say so. > I do say so. If you don't get that distinction what else don't you get? I don't get how you say one thing, then deny it then accuse me of not getting it. If you're going to get all picky about words hadn't you better get yours straight first. Still, I'm sorry we're arguing, I find some of your ideas quite informative and interesting. lipska -- Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun