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On 18/12/12 17:21, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:27:28 +0000, lipska the kat
> <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>> On 18/12/12 16:07, Eric Sosman wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2012 10:05 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
>>>> On 18/12/12 14:32, infinitum3d@hotmail.com wrote:

[snip]

>> Yes, start writing code
>> What do you suggest he does, Sit there twiddling his fingers.
>
>       I suggest that designing comes before writing code.

I agree ... but if you are suggesting that you do all the designing 
before you start to write a line of code then I humbly suggest that that 
approach is fundamentally and profoundly flawed.

Just IME mind you, I'm sure you are not suggesting that.

Actually I suggest that they proceed in parallel.

>> I bet you have a pre-meeting meeting to discuss what to discuss in the
>> meeting don't you. Ye gods and little Indians, I've battled with the
>
>       Straw man

Cheese sandwich
.
>
>       No, but I do work out what is needed in terms of features and
> then work out the sorts of entities that I will need to implement
> these.

Entities, hmm, a word heavy with meaning to anyone who has ever written 
EJBs. We deal in Classes, packages, components and Interfaces in Object 
Oriented software engineering with Java, entities reflect persistence 
schemata.

<Makes sweeping statement then withdraws to safe distance>

>> likes of you all my professional life. I always deliver though because I
>> get code down and learn from it.
>
>       I write code, too, but the measure of a system is not just the
> code.  Its organisation counts for a lot.

Concur

>
>> Write code, make mistakes, refactor, reiterate ... LEARN
>
>       Or one can design and make far fewer mistakes.

Well this depends on your approach to design doesn't it (see above)

>> Or sit on your hands lamenting your inability to get past the first obstacle
>
>       Another straw man.

Egg mayo on Rye, easy on the mayo

I forgotten how much fun the Usenet thing can be.

lipska

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Lipska the KatŠ: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun