Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: blmblm@myrealbox.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: generics puzzle Date: 22 Oct 2011 18:50:18 GMT Organization: None Lines: 46 Message-ID: <9gghjaF67oU3@mid.individual.net> References: <9g2f24Fi0vU1@mid.individual.net> <9gdkrfFn51U3@mid.individual.net> <9gdsa6FpohU1@mid.individual.net> X-Trace: individual.net vxFbeNN5TaAlRBJtPH6kWQW+KFq2U6A4VegGo19vWtu+T2rdxL X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:fTD1hNgoZY37x2bFjQAFwUNXdto= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:9091 In article <9gdsa6FpohU1@mid.individual.net>, Robert Klemme wrote: > On 10/21/2011 06:27 PM, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote: > > > If I could find a text-mode tool that did as much as Eclipse did I'd > > probably use it. What I like about Eclipse is not its interface -- > > I find it cluttered and not as keyboard-drivable as I like -- but > > its features. > > Hm... I use keyboard shortcuts in Eclipse excessively. What are you > missing? > Taking the question literally -- probably mostly a willingness to appreciate this tool's strengths and not be too critical when it behaves in some way that goes against my admittedly non-mainstream preferences. Sort of a :-). Back to the point, though: First I should probably say that my notion of "as keyboard-drivable as I like" is "can do everything from the keyboard", which is a fairly high bar. I've mentally bookmarked a lot of Eclipse's keyboard shortcuts, and they make my experience of using this tool much more pleasant, but there are still a few things .... Examples that come to mind: If I do a "synchronize with repository" operation and let Eclipse switch to the CVS perspective or view or whatever it is (I have trouble remembering which of those is which), I haven't figured out how to easily get back to the "normal" (Java) view, other than clicking a little ">>" button near the upper right corner to display a list of other whatever-they-are. I did find a keyboard shortcut (control-f8 IIRC) that *seemed* like it would do what I want, but I can't seem to make it work. I could be mistaken. I think I did come across a way to set and clear debugging breakpoints from the keyboard, but I didn't mentally bookmark it, and trying to find it again .... well, I haven't. In other words -- picky little stuff, possibly solvable with more work on my part. What I said, or implied, about starting with a better attitude .... -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.