Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: blmblm@myrealbox.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: generics puzzle Date: 19 Oct 2011 13:29:49 GMT Organization: None Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9g81mdFj6eU6@mid.individual.net> References: <9g2f24Fi0vU1@mid.individual.net> <9g5nnhFahuU1@mid.individual.net> <9g5salFh1jU2@mid.individual.net> X-Trace: individual.net xYLRtm8DUt9Oc9OLhgxWGgdeu2B9Tbzdgr6tKWEFE+FF7X/x+E X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:LYC8/cr6TJoc2qmjaRBmt51Cp+U= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:8995 In article , markspace <-@.> wrote: > On 10/18/2011 10:45 AM, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote: > > > (About tools -- I'm a long-time vim user, more than a little > > fanatical about my text editor of choice, but more and more for > > Java code I find myself also starting Eclipse to do some of the > > things *it* does well, and finding more and more things in that > > category -- automatic generation of imports and boilerplate code, > > renaming of classes, etc.) > > > Yes, I used to be a fan of vim also, but modern IDEs, at least in the > Java space, do too much to ignore them. Macros/templates, automatic > generation of source code, automatic test environments, automatic > interfacing with SCC systems, etc. Yeah, as I say, "more and more things" .... > Vim just can't keep up. Emacs might > be able to keep up, but I was never an emacs fan, and I don't intend to > learn an older IDE. Eh. If I had it to do over again I'd probably choose to "bond" with emacs rather than vi(m), because the odds of its being able to keep up, in this sense, do seem better. It's mildly interesting to speculate on why that's so -- is the user community larger, or more determined, or is there something about the tool itself? -- but only mildly. As for whether there's any value to switching to emacs at this point -- nah, flamebait topic, IMO. > Try to learn a couple of IDEs, it'll help your Java career immensely. s/career/something/ (I'm not a professional programmer these days.) I find the interface of a typical IDE to be *WAY* too cluttered for my tastes. But then that's true of a lot of programs with graphical interfaces. Probably a YMMV thing. -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.