Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: blmblm@myrealbox.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Ubuntu Date: 19 Oct 2011 13:27:30 GMT Organization: None Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9g81i2Fj6eU4@mid.individual.net> References: <9g5n98F5upU1@mid.individual.net> <9g5s6sFh1jU1@mid.individual.net> X-Trace: individual.net fKwKd7QFNh3eoBy/lj870wKIf72X4Vm/+38jeb5YXHmtxJOEJc X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:2YDa0hpMyGptgT9/nETloQXIPNc= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:8993 In article , Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0000, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote: > > > There is that (the performance issue). My experience has been that over > > a fast local network, it's good enough for most applications, though I > > seem to remember that there are exceptions (though not what they are). > > Over a not-so-fast network, yeah, it can be too slow to be usable. > > > Same here - which is what I was speaking about. > > > Strongly agreed about the value of "screen" -- I've even been known to > > use it locally, for its cut-and-paste features. > > > I've never gotten around to using screen, though I do normally use the > microEmaxs editor everywhere - its multi-screen abilities combined with > shelling out over the top of it do almost everything I need. For me the other benefit of "screen" is the one previously mentioned by the person who first mentioned this tool -- it sets up something that persists even if the network connection is broken, deliberately or not. For me examples of both kinds of breakage do arise -- it's useful to be able to set something up under "screen" at work, detach the screen session, and reattach it later from home, or vice version, and it's also useful to be able to set up something that will persist even if the ssh session under which it was started times out. > Everything else is easily met with a few more ssh sessions in Gnome > terminal windows, since its not a lot harder to cut 'n paste between > those than it is within a multi-windowed terminal application. > > > Nice to know that there are at least a few other shell fans out there? > > > Most of my programming activity is command-line oriented regardless of > whether I'm driving a local or remote system, which I do with ssh and X11 > forwarding: use of the latter boils down to developing Swing programs > with much lower use of it to run remote copies of GIMP, LibreOffice progs, > and firing up Opera remotely if I want to proof read Javadocs. Once upon a time you could proofread javadocs with a frames-capable text-mode browser (such as elinks). Not so much with Java 7, alas .... Maybe a rant for another thread, but at least a return from topic drift? -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.