Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:08:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:08:12 -0800 From: Patricia Shanahan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Agile Project Management References: <8b9e9575-e454-4d1b-80aa-f89a4a39b511@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <4f36f42a$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <92d0e832-6c70-4dc6-9c9f-71f588920d36@vv9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <4f37ca65$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> In-Reply-To: <4f37ca65$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <562dna94O9Z-SKrSnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 49 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.230.206.198 X-Trace: sv3-T5iYUmUBImDno/KsHQLrwieqb/LHrnokRdowjaMAr3iRt38ItFDybbe/rTwmM2o6igCQ1bNLhLtQGhI!Cj9XdpXWYt/dyeISQLrpBRCw8E72uXywOLiTqfG9TCK7znyPhq3UJO58JfwAQPFpHr9lUiX+KM2c!ImjY868z6BeghnOiRkqhY9ieD96ZC3h3E5Du8+2bRyQP7QU= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3727 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:11980 Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 2/12/2012 1:43 AM, simplicity wrote: >> On Feb 11, 4:05 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 2/10/2012 11:26 AM, simplicity wrote: >>>> On Feb 8, 11:51 pm, Iqra Educational Portal >>>> wrote: >>>>> Agile software development is an iterative, incremental approach to >>>>> developing and releasing software. A range of agile methodologies have >>>>> emerged and they are based frequent releases, ongoing testing, >>>>> customer and stakeholder participation throughout the development >>>>> process, co-ownership of code and pair-programming. >>>>> iQRA’s Agile Exam will test your knowledge about Agile Development >>>>> including XP, and SCRUM techniques in the light of Agile Manifesto >>> >>>>> http://iqra.org.pk/certification-startup.aspx?CertID=11&type= >>> >>>> Agile is garbage. Code before thinking. >>> >>>> All at the expense of quality but creates lots of "overhead" positions >>>> for largely worthless project managers of all kinds. >>> >>> Most agile processes does not specify overhead positions >>> and quite a few does not even include project managers. >>> >>> I think you have completely misunderstood agile. >> >> Misunderstood? I am judging from my personal experience. I was part of >> agile development in 3 environments: small organization (< 40 people) >> which was trying to implement it, mid-size and large - by large I mean >>> 800 employees. Each was a failure in one aspect or another. And in >> each, the common themes were (1) a blotted overhead, (2) questionable >> quality, (3) lack of architectural consistency and (4) reoccuring >> breaks of the old and often obscure features. >> >> Interesting that when I raised these issues (with examples) during one >> of the internal seminars on agile, the presented, some "big kahoona" >> consultant on agile, quickly diverted into a different topic > > The fact that 3 agile projects had large overhead is not > really an indication that large overhead is a given result > of agile. I've also seen non-Agile projects with large overhead. That said, for an 800 person project I would want strong architectural control to ensure clean interfaces. It is very easy for a program that big to get out of control and become unmaintainable. Patricia