Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.ripco.com!news-out.news.tds.net!newsreading01.news.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Arne Vajhøj" Subject: Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Message-ID: <5023FE37.56454.calajapr@time.synchro.net> X-Comment-To: Patricia Shanahan Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer X-FTN-AREA: COMP.LANG.JAVA.PROGRAMMER X-FTN-MSGID: 1:261/38 77592ef1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gateway: time.synchro.net [Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98] Lines: 68 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:44:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65 X-Complaints-To: news@tds.net X-Trace: newsreading01.news.tds.net 1344537871 69.21.70.65 (Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:44:31 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:44:31 CDT Organization: tds.net Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:17505 To: Patricia Shanahan From: "Arne Vajhoj" To: Patricia Shanahan From: "Arne Vajhoj" To: Patricia Shanahan From: Arne Vajhoj On 8/4/2012 10:45 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 8/4/2012 1:17 AM, Wanja Gayk wrote: >> In article , >> pats@acm.org says... >> >>> I think of programming languages as tools, not philosophies. >> >> You can use a excavator to dig a hole and you could use your old hand >> shovel, but you would not try to grab and move the excavator's arm with >> our hands to dig a hole, just because that's the way you operated your >> old hand shovel for the past 10 years, and you're used to that. >> >> Both are different tools that use the same method (digging) to do the >> same job (creating a hole), but they want to be used the way their >> inventors have imagined, not the way you have used another tool >> previously. It may still work though, but I doubt it's the brightest >> idea. > > There are indeed some things that are really necessary for effective use > of a given tool. I put the sharp end of my chisel against the wood, and > tap the blunt end with a mallet. I'm sure everyone using a wood chisel > and a mallet does that the same way round. > > The analogy for the situation that started this sub-thread is as though > the excavator were delivered with green paint, and most excavators of > that model were painted green. A particular user has a lot of > hole-related tools such as pile drivers and other models of excavators, > and choose to paint all of them blue to avoid the inconvenience of > keeping different paint colors around. > > He asked a question about lubricating the excavator, but some people > take one look at a photo of his blue excavator and tell him that it > should be green, that he will never be a capable excavator user unless > he paints it green, and that green paint is the excavator way. That is a lousy analogy. There should not be any real impact due to different colors of the excavators. There are real (negative!) impact of using: - different coding conventions - different diagram symbols Arne -+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) -+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24 -+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) -+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24 --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) --- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24