Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!news-out.news.tds.net!newsreading01.news.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler" Subject: Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB X-Comment-To: This account has been banned becaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer In-Reply-To: <50181D5F.55722.calajapr@time.synchro.net> References: <50181D5F.55722.calajapr@time.synchro.net> X-FTN-AREA: COMP.LANG.JAVA.PROGRAMMER X-FTN-MSGID: 1:261/38 2f27a056 X-FTN-REPLY: 1:261/38 42a62dd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gateway: time.synchro.net [Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98] Lines: 153 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:02:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65 X-Complaints-To: news@tds.net X-Trace: newsreading01.news.tds.net 1343757749 69.21.70.65 (Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:02:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:02:29 CDT Organization: tds.net Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16756 To: This account has been banned becaus From: "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler" To: This account has been banned becaus From: Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:21:24 GMT, This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use wrote in : >Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:03:37 GMT, This account has been banned because >> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use wrote in >> : >> >>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.14.135.55 >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:23 GMT, Captain Koloth Derbyshite >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Nov 30, 10:29 am, Lew wrote: >>>>> Captain Koloth wrote: >>>>> > That IS the contract. >>>>> >>>>> Only half of it. >>>> >>>> Nearly all of it, given it's rarely custom-subclasses. >>>> >>>>> People who write code are just as important as those who use it. >>>> >>>> That does not make sense. Both clients and subclassers are "people who >>>> write code". >>>> >>>>> >> But the contract also exists for the SortedMap implementer, and it >>>>> >> defines what he's allowed to do. If i wrote a SortedMap under 1.4 >>>>> >> that returned a key set that wasn't a SortedSet, which was >>>>> >> perfectly legal at that point, i would take a very dim view of a >>>>> >> change to the definitionof SortedMap in 1.5 that made it illegal. >>>>> >>>>> > Why? It would be very easy to update it, since the backing Map is >>>>> >>>>> But you thus show that you realize that there would be a need for >>>>> change if the contract changed. >>>> >>>> Qagh Sopbe'. >>> >>>Huh? >>> >>>> Entirely beside the point, given how little change. >>> >>>>> And you don't know how easy it would be to update it, >>>>> since the implementation to change will itself be used by other code, >>>>> which then will need to change >>>> >>>> QoH! It won't, since changing the implementation keySet return type to >>>> SortedSet won't force change on clients of that code, and it's >>>> unlikely for the implementation to be itself subclassed, and even more >>>> unlikely for such a subclass to be overriding the superclass >>>> implementation of keySet. >>>> >>>>> thus requiring unit tests, regression tests, >>>>> deployment to a zillion production sites, possible new bugs to fix, >>>>> delays to other more critical feature improvements or repair, and a >>>>> whole lot of cost to Java projects overall. >>>> >>> >>>> Tojo'Qa'! >>> >>>Huh? >>> >>>> What a ridiculous slippery slope argument. >>>> >>>>> > sorted. You'd just need to implement first, last, subSet, tailSet, >>>>> > and headSet, and you could make all of those (in presumably an >>>>> > anonymous inner class of your map) punt to >>>>> > MySortedMap.this.firstKey(), lastKey (), subMap(x,y).keySet(), >>>>> > tailMap(x).keySet(), and headMap(y).keySet (). >>>>> >>>>> > It would take all of five minutes. >>>>> >>>>> [calls me a liar] >>>> >>>> Grrr! TlhIngan quv DatIchDI' Seng yIghuH! >>> >>>Paula, are you off your meds? >>> >>>> If anyone here is a lying petaQ ... well, let's just say that it is >>>> not I! >>>> >>>>> > Also, how common are third-party implementations of SortedMap, >>>>> > really? >>>>> >>>>> At the time the contract was written, there weren't any. Having >>>>> written the contract, Java must not assume that continues to pertain. >>>>> There could be thousands of such implementations by now. >>>> >>>> VeQ! There are probably only a handful, if that. >>> >>>This doesn't look like you're winning at all, for fuck's sake. >>> >>>(FNVW, is it possible to nominate Paul "Two Socks" Derbyshire for the >>>Goofy Azzed Babboon for this very old post?) >> >> Yes. > >Thank you, Mister Wrangler. > >> According to the award description Goofy Azzed Babboon is for >> kooks past and present. >> >> Goofy Azzed Babboon >> This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts. Of >> any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such >> achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by said >> Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of >> limitations here; one should >> >> * award net.kooks of the past as well as the present*. >> >> Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art. >> If the person's inability to >> use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not qualify. >> Kooky language must come from Kooky thought. > >And if kooky thoughts were dollars, Paula Derbyshite would be richer than >Bill Gates. > >In recognition of his linguistic butchering while using his "Captain Koloth" >sockpuppet, and there being no statute of limitations for the award, I hereby >nominate Paul G. "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for the official alt.usenet kook >Goofy Azzed Babboon Award. Seconds? Nomination accepted. -- July 2012 Nominations: http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/2012/07/july-2012-nominations.html http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/p/award-winners-1994-2012.html http://fnvw.databasix.com (awards descriptions and more) -+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) -+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24 --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) --- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24