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NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB <Re: Oddity with java

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Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler <fnvw@databasix.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:03:37 GMT, This account has been banned because
> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> wrote in
> <t76Rr.14200$z66.1370@newsfe10.iad>:
>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.14.135.55
>>
>>
>>On  Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:23 GMT, Captain Koloth Derbyshite
>><koloth17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 10:29 am, Lew <no...@lewscanon.com> wrote:
>>>> Captain Koloth wrote:
>>>> > That IS the contract.
>>>>
>>>> Only half of it.
>>>
>>> Nearly all of it, given it's rarely custom-subclasses.
>>>
>>>> People who write code are just as important as those who use it.
>>>
>>> That does not make sense. Both clients and subclassers are "people who
>>> write code".
>>>
>>>> >> But the contract also exists for the SortedMap implementer, and it
>>>> >> defines what he's allowed to do. If i wrote a SortedMap under 1.4
>>>> >> that returned a key set that wasn't a SortedSet, which was
>>>> >> perfectly legal at that point, i would take a very dim view of a
>>>> >> change to the definitionof SortedMap in 1.5 that made it illegal.
>>>>
>>>> > Why? It would be very easy to update it, since the backing Map is
>>>>
>>>> But you thus show that you realize that there would be a need for
>>>> change if the contract changed.
>>>
>>> Qagh Sopbe'.
>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>> Entirely beside the point, given how little change.
>>
>>>> And you don't know how easy it would be to update it,
>>>> since the implementation to change will itself be used by other code,
>>>> which then will need to change
>>>
>>> QoH! It won't, since changing the implementation keySet return type to
>>> SortedSet won't force change on clients of that code, and it's
>>> unlikely for the implementation to be itself subclassed, and even more
>>> unlikely for such a subclass to be overriding the superclass
>>> implementation of keySet.
>>>
>>>> thus requiring unit tests, regression tests,
>>>> deployment to a zillion production sites, possible new bugs to fix,
>>>> delays to other more critical feature improvements or repair, and a
>>>> whole lot of cost to Java projects overall.
>>>
>>
>>> Tojo'Qa'!
>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>> What a ridiculous slippery slope argument.
>>>
>>>> > sorted. You'd just need to implement first, last, subSet, tailSet,
>>>> > and headSet, and you could make all of those (in presumably an
>>>> > anonymous inner class of your map) punt to
>>>> > MySortedMap.this.firstKey(), lastKey (), subMap(x,y).keySet(),
>>>> > tailMap(x).keySet(), and headMap(y).keySet ().
>>>>
>>>> > It would take all of five minutes.
>>>>
>>>> [calls me a liar]
>>>
>>> Grrr! TlhIngan quv DatIchDI' Seng yIghuH!
>>
>>Paula, are you off your meds?
>>
>>> If anyone here is a lying petaQ ... well, let's just say that it is
>>> not I!
>>>
>>>> > Also, how common are third-party implementations of SortedMap,
>>>> > really?
>>>>
>>>> At the time the contract was written, there weren't any.  Having
>>>> written the contract, Java must not assume that continues to pertain.
>>>>  There could be thousands of such implementations by now.
>>>
>>> VeQ! There are probably only a handful, if that.
>>
>>This doesn't look like you're winning at all, for fuck's sake.
>>
>>(FNVW, is it possible to nominate Paul "Two Socks" Derbyshire for the
>>Goofy Azzed Babboon for this very old post?)
>
> Yes.

Thank you, Mister Wrangler.

> According to the award description Goofy Azzed Babboon is for
> kooks past and present.
>
> Goofy Azzed Babboon
> This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts. Of
> any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such
> achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by said
> Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of
> limitations here; one should
>
> * award net.kooks of the past as well as the present*.
>
>  Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art.
>  If the person's inability to
> use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not qualify.
> Kooky language must come from Kooky thought.

And if kooky thoughts were dollars, Paula Derbyshite would be richer than Bill 
Gates.

In recognition of his linguistic butchering while using his "Captain Koloth" 
sockpuppet, and there being no statute of limitations for the award, I hereby 
nominate Paul G. "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for the official alt.usenet kook Goofy 
Azzed Babboon Award.  Seconds?


--
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                   check out Scatboi's forgeries.
"It's not paranoia when it's careful analysis of a trail of forensic
           evidence gathered from post headers, fuckwit." - writes
   Feerless Forensic Usenet Investigator, Nadless the Derbyshite sock.
Then Nadless The Kook presents his 'forensic evidence' of 'outright forgery':
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<ju55oa$9h3$2@dont-email.me> = From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>

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