Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-out.news.tds.net!newsreading01.news.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "markspace" Subject: Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Message-ID: <50143775.55461.calajapr@time.synchro.net> X-Comment-To: Gene Wirchenko Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer In-Reply-To: <5012E6C0.55409.calajapr@time.synchro.net> References: <5012E6C0.55409.calajapr@time.synchro.net> X-FTN-AREA: COMP.LANG.JAVA.PROGRAMMER X-FTN-MSGID: 1:261/38 6711b687 X-FTN-REPLY: 1:261/38 b842bfe6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gateway: time.synchro.net [Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98] Lines: 55 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:40:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65 X-Complaints-To: news@tds.net X-Trace: newsreading01.news.tds.net 1343508019 69.21.70.65 (Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:40:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:40:19 CDT Organization: tds.net X-Received-Bytes: 3147 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16492 To: Gene Wirchenko From: "markspace" To: Gene Wirchenko From: markspace <-@.> On 7/27/2012 9:16 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > Yes. Where is the learning reference for what these classes do? Just to elaborate a bit on what Robert is saying, the Java Tutorials on Oracle's site provide an excellent "How-To" guide on many subjects. Java is also open source, and the source for many classes is easy to read. If you really need to burrow down into behavior, read the source. This is bordering on the intermediate-advanced level of programmer, however. > If one does not already know the class, JavaDoc is not too useful. I also disagree here and agree with Robert. If you do not know *Java* well, the Java docs are not too useful. Once you learn the language fairly well, picking useful information out of the Java docs is quick, accurate and easy. I taught myself Java, and I went through an early phase of "the Java docs are useless." They kind of are, when you are first learning. Once you "grok" Java, they're great. I can now often pick details of classes right off the better than some folks on this list who I believe to have more experience in Java than I do. There's a learning curve, but it's very manageable. > It is and it isn't. Why do you think that there is such a big > market for intro texts for a language? It is interesting to me though > that, IME, the next step (mid-level) has little, and this is true in > many languages; Java is not special in this regard. It's true of many languages because it's true, period. There's a lot of domain specific best practice, design patterns, etc. that would be totally inappropriate for the core language reference to address. In other words, welcome to the real world, kid. -+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) -+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24 --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) --- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98 Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24