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Re: applets

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On 6/13/2012 12:09 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> markspace <-@.> writes:
>> However it seems to me the deployment to users mechanism is
>> still kinda clunky, and therefore applets tend to be avoided.
>
>    I never understood the decline of applets. Last time I
>    asked, I was told IIRC that the problems had to do with
>    upward or downward compatibility. (Possibly some old applets
>    were not running with newer Java versions?) But IIRC no one
>    did mention the deployment. So I get the impression that it
>    is not really obvious what the actual problem with applets
>    is. Recently some security problems with Java made it into
>    the press. So nowadays one might even give this as a reason.
>
>    To me, the problems are more in the realm of HTML
>    integration: Applets usually have a fixed size like an
>    image, while HTML documents are free size. People want to
>    script the HTML doc model and while this is possible with a
>    Java applet using a JavaScript interface layer it is not
>    directly supported. Java Applets instead should have direct
>    support for a HTML document as their primary user interface,
>    even to the point where for output of graphics embedded
>    pictures (for example GIF images) are created on the fly.
>
>    On could still start to do this today with HTML 5. All
>    that is done today with JavaScript should also be possible
>    with Java.

I think the reasons are:
1) Fashion - Java applets are not fashionable today.
2) Lack of need today:
      - for simple menus etc. HTML/CSS/JS works fine so no need for
        a plugin at all
      - for fancy graphical stuff Flash/Flex and SL are simply considered
        better (JavaFX came very late)
    so that laves relative little for Java applets

Arne

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applets bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-06-13 07:54 -0700
  Re: applets Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-06-13 08:07 -0700
  Re: applets markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-13 08:30 -0700
    Re: applets Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-06-13 21:43 -0700
    Re: applets Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-17 18:40 -0400
    Re: applets Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-17 18:44 -0400
  Re: applets "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-06-14 01:39 -0500
  Re: applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-14 01:00 -0700
    Re: applets Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-14 03:08 -0700
      Re: applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-16 17:28 -0700
    Re: applets David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-06-14 10:09 -0400
      Re: applets Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-16 17:32 -0700
  Re: applets Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-17 18:38 -0400

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