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Re: Hairy generics question

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On 3/10/2012 10:38 AM, Lew wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>> If you choose to think of JSF as MVC - let's say because you aren't
>>>> interested in breaking out MVP as a derivative of MVC - then that's
>>>> fine
>>>> too. I have no problem with that, it's what I actually do myself,
>>>> because most folks haven't heard of MVP anyway so why confuse them? I
>>>> would like it though if people who "knowledgeably" classify JSF as
>>>> being
>>>> MVC could identify what the Controller is in JSF: I've run across more
>>>> people than not who either think it's the FacesServlet or just don't
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> JSF is MVC if you think of a backing bean as a (generally) per-screen
>>> controller.
>>
>> It usually have functionality besides controller, so it is not just
>> a controller.
>>
>> And clean MVC should have something that is just a controller.
>
> QWhat non-controller functionality goes in a backing bean?
>
> I've done a fair amount of JSF work, and the backing beans I've done
> work just like a controller - they coordinate screen events and delegate
> fulfillment to model objects.

Typical a backing bean will also contain data.

In Struts you have the form bean / dyna bean with the data
and the action class being the controller.

In JSF the form data and the controller got mixed up a bit.

Arne

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          Re: Hairy generics question Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-03-10 07:38 -0800
            Re: Hairy generics question Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-03-10 12:45 -0400
            Re: Hairy generics question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-03-10 12:03 -0500
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                Re: Hairy generics question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-03-11 18:20 -0400
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