From: Ken Wesson Subject: Re: Why =?iso-8859-13?b?tG5ld6E/?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer References: <4d4da290$0$23764$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4d4dac30$0$23765$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4d4e29fb$1@news.x-privat.org> <4d4f6434$1@news.x-privat.org> <4d4f6ae3$1@news.x-privat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: $$-cwgml$lsc2q.news.x-privat.org Message-ID: <4d4f7823$1@news.x-privat.org> Date: 7 Feb 2011 05:42:11 +0100 Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org Lines: 34 X-Authenticated-User: $$o-16a0wpsuhxkoyemw X-Complaints-To: abuse@x-privat.org Path: csiph.com!eeepc.pasdenom.info!news.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!gegeweb.org!newsfeed.x-privat.org!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:25729 On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:20:54 -0800, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 2/6/2011 7:45 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: >> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:27:56 +0800, Peter Duniho wrote: >> >>> On 2/7/11 11:17 AM, Ken Wesson wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>> J has arguably helped with that. Some. Fact is, if you apply >>>>> yourself to learning and using J then it's not line-noise at all, >>>>> it's just extremely terse. It's not symbol cruft in the same sense >>>>> that Perl is. >>>> >>>> And what, pray tell, is J? >>> >>> http://www.lmgtfy.com/ >> >> That is needlessly snarky. It's not as if one can google a one-letter >> query and expect a useful result. > > The trick is to add some terms to give the single letter some context. > From the quoted comments, J had to be a programming language I decided that J had to be some kind of tool, mathematical notation, or something the learning of which made APL code more understandable as a side-effect; but from the context it was not clear to me whether it was a programming language itself, an APL IDE, a species of mathematical theory, or any of a number of other things. People make similar comments about emacs and Lisp -- apply yourself to learning emacs and Lisp can become easier to work with (thanks to emacs's Lisp-IDE features). (Of course "emacs" is five letters that do not spell a common English word, making it easy to find with a search, too. And its infamy means you already will know what it is anyway. ;)