Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Volunteer for Java Development Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:10:46 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3257521.527.1324750246799.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@preg20> References: <91680ebd-1c51-436f-84b3-3a0f5818d123@v31g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <11849113.208.1324619977166.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prez5> <54ad3a8c-b60e-4934-a420-0c0b35679fc7@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <31036852.221.1324660513125.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfi34> <1nmaf7h9eu97hhbbibrs6u2ti1mvu5e5ei@4ax.com> Reply-To: comp.lang.java.programmer@googlegroups.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 173.164.137.214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1324750349 13016 127.0.0.1 (24 Dec 2011 18:12:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:12:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1nmaf7h9eu97hhbbibrs6u2ti1mvu5e5ei@4ax.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=173.164.137.214; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:10989 On Friday, December 23, 2011 8:54:30 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:15:13 -0800 (PST), Lew > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >=20 > >Struts is obsolete. Use JSF. > I was told JSF has hugely more overhead. =20 Than Spring? Not in my observation. JSF is much easier to use. What kind of overhead were you _told_ that JSF introduces? I have always found it to radically accelerate development, by something li= ke five to one compared to other flows I've used except for Struts, but wit= h much more expressive power and greatly reduced deployment effort. The XH= TML variant works even better than the JSP variant. Really, JSF is a _tour de force_, and with the Tomahawk library there's lit= tle you cannot accomplish in the UI. (Other libraries also exist for JSF.) Plus it's part of the JSF standard. Actually it's any _other_ framework th= at would have to be considered "overhead", since JSF already comes with. S= omeone told you exactly backwards. --=20 Lew