Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Agile Project Management Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:23:18 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <30875780.486.1328991798747.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcri7> References: <8b9e9575-e454-4d1b-80aa-f89a4a39b511@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <9plk0nF2rhU1@mid.individual.net> <7177765.347.1328919756703.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbba5> <4LOdnXC9bK6cjqvSnZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 173.164.137.214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1328991878 21810 127.0.0.1 (11 Feb 2012 20:24:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:24:38 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4LOdnXC9bK6cjqvSnZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@giganews.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=173.164.137.214; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:11947 Leif Roar Moldskred wrote: > Lew wrote: >> "Largely worthless project managers", should such beings exist, are the >> problem, not whatever their buzzword /de jour/ might be. > > Well, often they are a symptom of an underlying problem in the > organization or corporate culture. In my experience, project managers > are rarely useless because they're incompetent, but more often because > they lack the necessary support or power in the organization to get > any traction. And often they are not such a symptom. Some people are just poseurs, and some of those people are managers. I've worked with such. > Usually, project-based IT organizations are ... not. -- Lew