Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.185.21.MISMATCH!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:04:44 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <30155783.624.1322597084233.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfb10> References: Reply-To: comp.lang.java.programmer@googlegroups.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 2620:0:1000:2404:224:d7ff:fe69:5838 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1322597089 2217 127.0.0.1 (29 Nov 2011 20:04:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:04:49 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2620:0:1000:2404:224:d7ff:fe69:5838; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:10331 Novice wrote: > Which raises an excellent point. Just what GUI is the best way to go > these days? The customer wants a desktop application that will run on > Windows and Mac. I'm mostly familiar with Swing and see no obvious reason > why it couldn't do the job required by the customer. Would Spring MVC or > Struts 2 be better? If so, why? Spring MVC is not a GUI. Struts is not a GUI. Did you look at the Web sites for those frameworks? It's obvious that they are not GUIs. > I'm not sure what the learning curve would be to get up to speed on > Spring or Struts. I just looked at two YouTube videos, one on Spring and > one on Struts and found both pretty dreadful. I'm sure the products are > good but the videos were very poorly produced with very poor presenters Struts is good. I am not pleased with Spring. Most of what Spring offers has been supplanted by standard Java and Java EE annotations. > with heavy accents and rather unfocused content. They were chock full of > vague generalities and very skimpy on actual details. I'm optimistic that > there are better tutorials on both subjects and that I can find those > better tutorials if they exist but, so far, I'm not clear on when/why > Spring or Struts would be better than Swing. Applea and oranges. They aren't even for the same architecture as Swing. > This again raises the question of whether customer should pay me my going > rate to learn Spring or Struts or whether I should eat the cost of the > learning? You should at least learn enough to discern what is relevant and what is not before contemplating entering into such a contract. -- Lew