Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:29:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 16:29:56 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java servlet on browsers: dying or kicking ? References: <50d892e5$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dbf6d1$0$80176$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50dcfecc$0$292$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dd5b51$0$80184$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50de2260$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50df9c4b$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <2--dnSzM_qkbO3TNnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d@bt.com> Lines: 43 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-JE2qUJqhiqQaucjNqZjECcryAu9xQRbfqYmZTxI9GjsBqTUWRwjSG67yRShQWe7earFTUk2sGTMxfvv!Oclcudx6fkPkHL8sKbc22qgGgI0uQz5IgFuQVo3FEmqxaw8tJCPothbk4vL9HLoR4lSS2P1moWk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3188 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:21037 On 06/01/13 14:29, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > On 01/06/2013 06:27 AM, lipska the kat wrote: >> On 05/01/13 00:22, Richard Maher wrote: >>> "Arved Sandstrom" wrote in message >>> news:nUoEs.1$Z03.0@newsfe23.iad... >>>> On 12/29/2012 09:43 PM, Arne Vajh�j wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>> But let's say they put all the business rules in the Business Layer >>> implemented in a Java or C# class. Who is going to inforce thos rules >>> from >>> PHP Perl or Python access? >> >> This is a spurious argument. Any organization that allows unfettered >> access to it's data by random clients written in unsupported languages >> deserves everything it gets. > > Putting it another way, this is not a technical issue You argue that putting all the business rules in a single layer [of some system] is bad because it does not prevent other access methods from doing bad things with your business[data] I can only assume then that as far as you are concerned the only solution to any data centric business problem is to put all the business logic in the database. How else can you avoid people doing stuff with your data that you don't want them to do ? Oh, wait a minute, how about "effective management" > If you use a characterization like "tiers/layers/whatever" you are not > in a position to discuss the problem. If you say so. lipska -- Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun