Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Peter Cheung Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: JOutlookBar Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 102 Message-ID: <18532876.11.1335710273525.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbpw7> References: <33049662.264.1335479370702.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcnk4> <15997725.898.1335482389670.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbbps5> <7588566.806.1335496661608.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbqv7> <30272854.404.1335607614038.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbgg10> <4525969.3.1335683635411.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcgx8> <32890598.730.1335684673600.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbw7> NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.244.127.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1335710274 28615 127.0.0.1 (29 Apr 2012 14:37:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:37:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=124.244.127.83; posting-account=10LjMwkAAAAVcy8G3B3qqGRpk0olXjxD User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Received-Bytes: 5694 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:14025 Lew=E6=96=BC 2012=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5U= TC+8=E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=884=E6=99=8256=E5=88=8650=E7=A7=92=E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF= =BC=9A > Peter Cheung wrote: > > why people in the forum look like angering something on me? >=20 > There are several reasons, and it's a fair question. >=20 > In the first place, I doubt that anyone is actually angry with you. There= is a=20 > difference between harshness and anger, although few people pay attention= to=20 > the difference. You have triggered some harsh reactions, but people reall= y are=20 > trying to impart information to help you. The thing you do right is to en= gage=20 > with the conversation, to keep responding to people and trying to underst= and.=20 > As long as you do that no one should actually be angry with you. I cannot really identify harshness/anger from english text, english is not = my first language. >=20 > What people have been telling you is important information. There are hig= h=20 > standards to professional programming, and they are rigorous. Early on yo= u=20 > showed some resistance to the information people gave you. This is especi= ally=20 > important in the area of ethics, which you violated. Besides that, you di= d not=20 > respond to the comments regarding engineering flaws in your code. Your=20 > responses to other comments, namely the lack of Javadocs and a build scri= pt,=20 > were dismissive and constituted little more than, "I'm not doing that." W= e=20 > know you're not doing that, we pointed out that you're not doing that. Mo= re=20 > importantly we pointed out that you should be doing that, advice that you= =20 > ignore at your own cost. There is only one developer to develop peter-swing, yes, its me. The primar= y goal for peter-swing is to make a new theme for my other project http://c= ode.google.com/p/peter-bochs/ . If it is working, i don't want to spend tim= e on writing comment, i would like to spend time on peter-bochs rather. I really don't need a build script, because eclipse can build. Eclipse can = build a executable jar, it is enough for me. I don't know how hurt is my se= ntence "I'm not doing that", but in chinese, that sentence is not a offensi= ve sentence. But the words "Wow, shame on you, Peter", it is very offensive in my point = of view. >=20 > Basically you have not shown interest in the wisdom and expertise that th= e=20 > several very smart and knowledgeable people like Patricia Shanahan, Danie= l=20 > Pitts, markspace and Arne Vajh=C3=B8j, to name a few, have shared. You do= n't give=20 > reasons or logic for your decisions. You seem unaware and uninterested in= =20 > respect for copyrights. Instead of taking coding advice, you say, "Let me= =20 > finish my project," indicating that you are going to follow bad code with= even=20 > more bad code. I create components and theme for people use, that is the only wisdom i hav= e in peter-swing project. If you think peter-swing project is bad enough, j= ust leave it. I really didn't steal somebody code, The class metalbump in my project, act= ually I don't use it. I have removed it. >=20 > So people aren't so much angry with you as contemptuous of your behavior.= Not=20 > of you, necessarily - I cannot imagine Ms. Dr. Shanahan showing less than= =20 > exquisite courtesy and respect to any human being, for example - but cert= ainly=20 > of actions that will harm your ability to put together good software. >=20 > It's not good to be emotional or defensive about one's work in this busin= ess.=20 > The results have to work, and work in accordance with expectations. That = is=20 > what it is beyond all wishing or superstition or resistance to brutally h= onest=20 > advice. Take the advice - respect for your behavior is far less important= than=20 > success in software development. Following the advice of those wiser in t= his=20 > arena will lead to both. >=20 > --=20 > Lew > Honi soit qui mal y pense. > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg