Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: How to develop without an IDE? Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1030139.243.1336414602467.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbbof7> References: <4f94338d$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f94765c$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f949830$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f9cb523$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f9d8965$0$288$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f9f446b$0$288$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <5183845.788.1335981689730.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbbof7> <4fa5aa33$0$287$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.28.149.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1336414603 22724 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2012 18:16:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:16:43 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4fa5aa33$0$287$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.28.149.29; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Received-Bytes: 3054 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:14375 Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > BGB wrote: >> do people make a big fuss over "the sun rises and the sun sets" when >> in-fact [sic] it is the Earth that is moving? In fact, in any frame of reference for which neither the Sun nor the Earth = is the origin, both are moving. > If it is a group for physics/astronomy I would assume so. >=20 > Here nobody cares. >=20 > If you consider Java import and C include similar in > alt.chocolatecake.baking, then I don't think anyone > will object. >=20 > But we will here as this happens to be a programming > group where a certain level of technical accuracy in > relation to programming languages is expected. Really, why be an apologist for imprecise terminology? 'import' is an impor= tant (pun intended) notion to Java, and confusion of C and Java concepts is= a well-known retardant to mastery of Java. The conflation of superficially= similar concepts between the languages consistently causes trouble, so it = is bad policy to support such error. Instead, assuming a commitment to help= ing one's fellow practitioners, one should take a stand to firmly reject su= ch confusion. Given that logic, someone attempting to support sloppiness in the distincti= on between 'import' in Java and '#include' in C opens themselves to accusat= ions of disempowerment. Validly so, I aver. --=20 Lew