Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jim Gibson Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: refactoring problem Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:20:37 -0800 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <050220131320376388%jimsgibson@gmail.com> References: <7fssg8dakvofmv6pk3sfvp5jmaku55vgmm@4ax.com> <510ea8de$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <510fa7c1$0$6978$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> <0453206c-7053-4cf0-8ab2-b6c5e817a69a@googlegroups.com> <5110250b$0$6843$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> <51103acc$0$6914$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> <5110cbc0$0$6855$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 1BrrFOUmhwUbjpJys18EdQhZAtY/7ZnEaZWMyBsqSJZ6t5dHiguAnbTCRMbSyWhh0j X-Orig-Path: jimsgibson Cancel-Lock: sha1:J0pJKqwbODAYAr1vB/B1bVzPAn4= User-Agent: Thoth/1.9.0 (Mac OS X) Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:22128 In article , Lew wrote: > Silvio wrote: > > Lew wrote: > >> Silvio wrote: > >>> Lew wrote: > >>>> Silvio wrote: > >>>>> But as always, tastes will differ. > > > >>>> Well, the decisions as to what actually makes it into Java or not are > >>>> not made on the basis > >>>> of taste. > >>>> > >>>> Which is arguably the worst of seemingly plausible criteria for > >>>> inclusion. > > > >>> Well, what where those decisions based on then? > > > >> Engineering considerations. Logic. Estimated utility. Cost of > >> implementation vs. expected benefit. > > > >>> Something else than the personal taste of a small group of influential > >>> insiders? > > > >> Yep. > > > > Well, no. I closely followed a number of the discussions about language > > additions (among which the endless series of discussions about closures) > > and personal preference of a small group of people is definitely a major > > factor. > > "Preference" != "taste". You are splitting hairs. From my online dictionary (copyright, Apple, Inc.): taste: "a person's tendency to like and dislike certain things" preference: "a greater liking for one alternative over another or others" > > Of course their preferences will have been influenced by such factors > > but since these are either subjective or estimates personal opinions > > remain important. > > "Opinion" != "taste". I'll give you that one :) opinion: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge" -- Jim Gibson