Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:47:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:47:47 -0700 From: Patricia Shanahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.help Subject: Re: No Jobs for new computer guys :-( References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.230.200.172 X-Trace: sv3-lDiLFAEg2wfJ/nAtPe8TRnq/kNkKB4oBSeWUgjcGvIPF0N7IygbjO58mOX2YqBwZ9B+DGZZDgh0+Jpk!6vuSHa9z1u5qZLAjZlor4DsC9lNWnxorS/egEeycNcNSqxFOGIg3uHbIU9cQKrZ9LMs1ItC+bpAA!rwK8SzyCFK6Nis9+HW2j/pfbv/zidvNdP91XWNnGSOtoz2s= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3100 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.help:2018 On 8/16/2012 7:50 AM, Kevin Doyle wrote: ... > I have started two open source projects http://code.google.com/p/preachan/ and > http://code.google.com/p/thales-goal-keeper-radar-sim/ ... I suggested joining an open source project, not starting one. Starting your own project may be fun if you have spare time, but unless you have identified a serious unmet need, and are very lucky, it is unlikely to get you noticed or hired. There are far too many one-programmer zero-user open source projects. Are your projects attracting users, preferably users who are likely to have programming jobs available? If not, they are a hobby, not career building. Consider the following process: 1. Pick a type of programming you would like to do, and that is available where you live, or in an area to which you could move. 2. Find the most important open source infrastructure projects related to, and used in, that type of programming. You are looking for well-established projects with expert, experienced programmers already working on them, and many organizations depending on them. 3. Join one of those projects. In a tight job market, who you know matters. The established experts on a piece of infrastructure are people who get asked whether they know of a good junior programmer who might be looking for a job. The more they see your name on bug fixes and useful contributions to discussions the more likely they are to think of you in that situation. Also, mentioning an open source project on your resume will be far more effective if it is one that the hiring manager knows about. Patricia