Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!news.gnuher.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Bernd Paysan Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: OT (slightly) What is the "best" processor for a new project? Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 03:45:41 +0200 Organization: 1&1 Internet AG Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <088a35b6-5c19-4197-817b-25d08c7276e1@googlegroups.com> <4PydnUjo3esvrj7MnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@supernews.com> <42a4acc3-5dc8-4ed6-a535-111eb56a93d3@googlegroups.com> <89edncV_Bv8oCD7MnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@supernews.com> <810f1d6a-c265-4f9c-bcfc-8f66d2b5e3ce@googlegroups.com> <4e4bee1f-e5a0-4b59-9f62-4c96762de034@10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fc553fd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: online.de 1370483142 7631 79.197.83.253 (6 Jun 2013 01:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:45:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/4.10.3 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:23219 Hugh Aguilar wrote: > Your claim, "PCs didn't really become interesting until the > 386 was available," is a real humdinger! I've never heard that before! There are an awful lot of things you never heard before, and you *always* say it in a tone like not having heard something is a *virtue*. I know you want to say "I don't believe you", but what you are displaying is just ignorance. That can be location-based, I know that different markets have different attitudes. The US is not the same as Europe. The early years of the IBM PC were the years of the home computers, and while the PC had its horrible 16 bit model with all the segmentation bullshit, popular home computers like the Amiga or the Atari ST already had their 32 bit processor architectures (despite the 68k only had a 16 bit bus and 24 bit addresses, it was a 32 bit architecture). These computers were considerably cheaper and more powerful than the IBM PCs of that time. That changed when Compaq started to aggressively market cheap 386-based PCs in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and at that time, together with Windows 3.1, PCs started to become attractive. Before that, IBM PCs were bought by people who bought IBM because nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. BTW: you can download the current SwiftForth demo for free, if you want to do some fact-checks (that's something you hate, because telling old storries again and again is much better than a reality check). I know you have paid 500 bucks too much for it once upon a time, maybe at that time the demo wasn't available. In general, I would consider downloading the demo first, before buying a product. The SwiftForth I've does word-align variables. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/