Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!k23g2000pri.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Hugh Aguilar Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: The Lisp Curse Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: <38fcdb0a-58b0-427d-989d-936c233589b4@em7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <2f283769-448f-4481-9b11-5719ba340e92@h14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <6c8e4ada-477b-46a4-98e5-f321830b1f12@t9g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> <1b765ba6-fc1a-4302-9dc5-86773b7da861@j9g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <2609dd05-1532-4af0-8f62-24f7793beed9@x10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.167.132.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1310522087 26267 127.0.0.1 (13 Jul 2011 01:54:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k23g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=148.167.132.141; posting-account=hP9USgoAAADyPwMdR5qi1rinwP694_5o User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-Header-Order: HNKRUAELSC X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/12.0.742.112 Safari/534.30,gzip(gfe) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.forth:4072 On Jul 11, 10:24=A0pm, Ron Aaron wrote: > On Jul 12, 6:40 am, Hugh Aguilar wrote: > > > Passaniti can't cause hurt to me, because he is not my equal > > Well, you're certainly right on that point! Do you use "Ron" as a sock puppet? I notice that you are both from Israel, you both consider Passaniti to be your equal, and you both use vulgar language --- I think that you are one and the same! > And if you're willing to come out of your closet (oops! =A0did I say > something naughty?!?) a minute and stray from ANS, you might try Reva, > which is free, fast and "non-toy". =A0You might even use it as a base > for your own HughForth -- because it's PD and you can do with it > whatever you want (there are already several derivatives "in the > wild"). =A0On the other hand, you would have to learn some x86 assembler > and write code instead of bitching and moaning, which hardly seems > your style. Get real; of course I know x86 assembly language. Do you really think that I'm such a novice that I don't? As for Reva, afaik it is another toy Forth system; it is a threaded system. You said on your website that it is based on CMForth, and CMForth is just an old FIG-Forth that has been ported from one processor to another over the years and now even runs on the 32-bit x86 (which didn't even exist when FIG was distributing those green- cover booklets containing FIG-Forth source-code in various assembly languages). If Reva is a threaded system (I am assuming that it is, although your website didn't really say), then it is too slow to be used for application writing, so I wouldn't have any use for it except as something to look at for ideas. > > Most non-Forthers believe that Forth Inc. *is* Forth > > As usual with your verbal diarrhea, you are full of shit. =A0Most "non- > Forthers" haven't even heard of Forth, nor do they care about it > (assuming "programmers who don't use Forth" is what you mean by "non- > Forthers"). =A0 Most programmers under the age of 40 have never heard of Forth; they go through college and it is never mentioned. When I tell them that I am a Forth programmer, they typically say: "Fortran?" --- they have never even heard the word "Forth" and they assume that I am mispronouncing "Fortran." Most programmers over the age of 40 have heard of Forth. Many of them tried PolyForth back in the 1980s (or even the early 1990s, although Forth was pretty much dead by that time) --- and this is why they hate Forth. In the early 1990s when I was working as a C/C++ programmer I knew many people in this category --- every time that I mentioned Forth, they got angry and said that they had already tried PolyForth and they would never touch Forth again --- or they would suggest that since I know so much about Forth, I should be the luckless flunkie who gets the job of porting some old "Forth-crap" into C for the company (I obviously didn't want this dead-end assignment, so I stopped mentioning Forth at work and just focused on C programming). > "Forth Inc" is a company selling a product, and you -- > Hugh the Dim -- have probably given them the most free advertising > they've ever had in their quite long corporate history. > Congratulations on discovering what "unintended effect" means! It is possible that somebody will want to buy SwiftForth because Elizabeth Rather is a champion of the homosexual community, and they want to support her in this. I doubt that it happens very often, as those people don't have any money --- I doubt that even John Passaniti has purchased SwiftForth, as his husband doesn't provide him with enough of an allowance to make $500 purchases (and he has no use for it anyway, as he never writes any Forth code and isn't planning on starting). Forth Inc.'s advertising is built entirely upon the fact that they own the word "Forth" and that Elizabeth Rather was with Chuck Moore way back in the 1970s when he was inventing Forth, all of which supposedly makes her the "leading expert" on Forth.