X-Received: by 10.224.41.145 with SMTP id o17mr36952476qae.3.1373664529634; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.40.167 with SMTP id y7mr1385584qek.36.1373664529592; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!t19no1302041qam.0!news-out.google.com!f7ni2314qai.0!nntp.google.com!t19no1385136qam.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=174.59.116.232; posting-account=6GCGIQoAAAAyO8IjR_VTwqiqLwx0Q_G8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 174.59.116.232 References: <7407f668-e6b6-4176-bb9f-af9695fc75b4@googlegroups.com> <3b264b1f-b574-404b-83e1-10ac1aa5d8eb@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Are Computer able to think? From: Brad Eckert Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:28:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 2079 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:24454 On Friday, July 12, 2013 3:46:35 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote: > > No machines are not alive, they cannot think. >=20 > as an experiment, one might try to compare the "intelligence" of your mos= t powerful AI system to that of a microbe. >=20 Single-celled organisms exhibit survival behaviors that seem to involve tho= ught. Hameroff and Penrose have a model of consciousness that basically has= living things as quantum computers whose hardware consists of microtubules= inside living cells. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/= orchOR.html Quantum computing is in its infancy, with machines of few qubits solving ce= rtain problems much faster than bit bangers. If the qubit count follows Moo= re's law, I wonder if machines will actually be thinking in 20 or 30 years.