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| From | Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Forth Performance Question |
| Date | 2011-08-11 13:18 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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Arnold Doray <thinksquared@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:35:23 -0500, Julian Fondren wrote:
>>
>> Except, you aren't learning Forth. You're learning Retro. You
>> wouldn't've mixed up the arguments to DO .. LOOP if you had set out to
>> learn Forth; as a suggested barrier to Java programmers, that's just
>> absurd.
>
> Wouldn't learning Scheme help one learn Lisp? ;) IMO, the Retro language
> set might be a comfortable introduction to Forth for programmers from a C/
> Java background.
1. No. I have a lot of experience behind this 'no'.
2. Common Lisp is a huge, huge language. Forth is not. Size, like
flexibility, is absolutely no excuse for diving into one of the
attractive nuisances.
> The point of the DO...LOOP example wasn't that I got the arguments mixed
> up, but that [it's possible for anyone to mix them up.]
This is the case with all positional arguments, with a few exceptions.
DO takes positional arguments, so there's the possibility that anyone
can mix them up. Likewise your TIMES takes a number and then a block;
someone could very well give it a block and then a number.
"X is possible." does not imply "X is an actual rather than an imaginary
problem.", and neither does "X happened to this guy who's decided not to
learn Forth control structures." make a persuasive argument.
> (I
> am curious -- is there a reason that ANS Forth does it this way?)
\ 'reversed' and potentially identical on purpose.
: prune ( -- )
1 #polled @ 1- do \ loop backwards, only over clients
i pollfd[] closed? if i lost then
-1 +loop ;
\ although BOUNDS could be written for either ordering
: spaced ( c-addr u -- )
bounds ?do i c@ [char] . = if bl i c! then loop ;
\ speaking of C, how common a kind of loop do you think
\ for (i = 0; i < provided_number; i++) ... is ?
: times ( xt u -- )
0 ?do dup >r execute R> loop drop ;
: spaces ( u -- )
0 ?do space loop ;
> This observation might seem pedantic to an experienced Forther, but it is
> hard for a beginner to deal with such "gotchas" at the start.
No, it isn't. You aren't a Forth beginner.
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