Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Experimental C Build System Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 00:53:05 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <86y1c27wum.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <87r0hvpxx8.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87frybprp3.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87bk8zpnxx.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87h6iqo1cq.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="86b83c500004563f07cda2ade1e7584b"; logging-data="3221634"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19f/GxMBKGXPVPdZXQ09uw79FXlhe99tY8=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:E6mNgNKCXa4y1WnHogfxLwG+FiA= sha1:GqJtldtg5HLz3jAzQqh5+emHwoU= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:381663 Keith Thompson writes: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes: > >> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:03:38 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote: >> >>> A #include directive with <> searches for a "header", which is not >>> stated to be a file. A #include directive with "" searches for a file >>> in an implementation-defined manner; if that search fails, it tries >>> again as if <> had been used. >> >> The trouble with that interpretation is, it would seem to rule out the use >> of things like include libraries for user headers. Do you really think >> that was the intention? > > I don't know. I imagine an implementation could interpret the word > "file" to include information extracted from libraries. Note that it > doesn't have to correspond to the concept of a "file" used in ; > that refers to files in the execution environment, not the compilation > environment. To me what the C standard says is clear. A #include "whatever.h" gets its stuff from a file (assuming of course the appropriate file can be found, and not revert to the #include form). A #include gets its stuff from a header, said header perhaps being stored in a file or perhaps not, and if file-stored then it could be a 1-1 relationship, or a 1-many relationship, or a many-1 relationship. Since the C standard doesn't define the term 'header', an implementation is allowed to actualize it however the implementation chooses (including the possibility of storing information inside the compiler itself).