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Subject: Re: technology discussion =?utf-8?Q?=E2=86=92?= does the world need a "new" C ?
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bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 09/07/2024 18:22, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 09/07/2024 16:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>
>>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Arrays are passed by reference:
>>>>>
>>>>>     void F(int a[20]) {}
>>>>>
>>>>>     int main(void) {
>>>>>       int x[20];
>>>>>       F(x);
>>>>>     }
>>>>
>>>> This is the sort of thing that bad tutors say to students so that they
>>>> never learn C properly.  All parameter passing in C is by value.  All of
>>>> it.  You just have to know (a) what the syntax means and (b) what values
>>>> get passed.
>>>
>>> The end result is that a parameter declared with value-array syntax is
>>> passed using a reference rather than by value.
>>>
>>> And it does so because the language says, not because the ABI requires
>>> it.  A 2-byte array is also passed by reference.
>>
>> An address value is passed by value.  C has only one parameter passing
>> mechanism.  You can spin it as much as you like, but C's parameter
>> passing is simple to understand, provided learner tune out voices like
>> yours.
>
> Little about C's type system is simple.  You're doing your students a
> disservice if you try and hide all the quirks.

That's what you are doing, only worse.