Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: A thought of C Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 06:46:35 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <86qzo54wn8.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <3a3462bdd72c4ed9d392a78b7d369a7b5ccc3b04.camel@gmail.com> <10rtdpd$2g1i0$1@dont-email.me> <10rth24$2h2ls$1@dont-email.me> <10rtnud$2jfm5$1@dont-email.me> <10s01e1$384ct$1@dont-email.me> <10s06q2$39rhn$1@dont-email.me> <10s2a2u$3t0f5$1@dont-email.me> <10s2fhc$3ug5h$1@dont-email.me> <10s2h5f$3uctl$1@dont-email.me> <10s2oq0$19am$1@dont-email.me> <10s2tfe$2lvm$1@dont-email.me> <10s34f6$542f$1@dont-email.me> <10s3akj$7ajg$1@dont-email.me> <10s3otn$bk6v$1@dont-email.me> <10s5atn$2sck7$1@paganini.bofh.team> <86ik9j63hc.fsf@linuxsc.com> <10sal8n$2967c$2@dont-email.me> <86340m5ou8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <10scp8f$2u408$1@kst.eternal-september.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 13:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="096db26766e75ae3d0da9ffd77dfc80c"; logging-data="3220642"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+2sy71zc4TKBE27vdSyUDg6YeXXC6lJCM=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lyS43GPgeaxV2FIO8Csz/glg3uI= sha1:6R+7wtPKiCSw2GhH2yFW17Pm4Fo= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:397849 Keith Thompson writes: > Tim Rentsch writes: > [...] > >> Between 1972 and 1978 Unix was not available to the general public, >> and I think for all practical purposes neither was C. Also AFAIAA >> there was no recognized defining document for C during that time. >> IIRC there were some papers written about C before 1978, but nothing >> like a real language manual. So the answer seems to be either that >> the question doesn't make sense or that everything is "undefined >> behavior" because there is no language manual that defines it. > > [...] > > For the C history buffs, here are a few early papers on C: > > C Reference Manual, Jan 15 1974, Dennis Ritchie > https://www.nokia.com/bell-labs/about/dennis-m-ritchie/cman74.pdf > > C Reference Manual, 1975, Dennis Ritchie > https://www.nokia.com/bell-labs/about/dennis-m-ritchie/cman.pdf > > Programming in C - A Tutorial, 1975(?), Brian Kernighan > https://www.nokia.com/bell-labs/about/dennis-m-ritchie/ctut.pdf > > The Development of the C Language, 1994, Dennis Ritchie > https://www.nokia.com/bell-labs/about/dennis-m-ritchie/chist.pdf > > Dennis Ritchie's home page > https://www.nokia.com/bell-labs/about/dennis-m-ritchie/ > has a number of other papers on early Unix, BCPL, B, and C. Thank you for the links. At some point I think I skimmed one of the cman papers but I had forgotten about it.