Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: bart again (UCX64) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 08:47:59 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <86o7ifnw0g.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <871qfiknil.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87v8ctkbsj.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87pm31jusi.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <5JHIM.574995$qnnb.462524@fx11.iad> <20230904234329.835@kylheku.com> <86bkegpztj.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20230905075103.116@kylheku.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f6301c9a6ce7286ea3bcf92b0a94924d"; logging-data="2699049"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/gRYApn+TO5qomL5FYqCWwc5HWNEGy32E=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lo0Ey1V96oMUehV7+4rFxX4OAuw= sha1:Y5ZBy1h+s/RHahQjXBeKkCaEIYw= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:174164 Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> writes: > On 2023-09-05, Tim Rentsch wrote: > >> Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> writes: >> >>> A Turing machine is completely defined and has no run-time inputs; >>> everything is on the tape. >> >> This is wrong. A Turing machine is just the machine. The tape is >> separate. > > Apologies for that. A term for what I'm referring to is > "Turing machine configuration" (offered in _Introduction to the > Theory of Computation_, 3rd ed, Michael Sipser). Not a term I'm familiar with. Seems like a poor choice of phrase. >> It would be pointless to talk about "Turing machines" >> if all a given "Turing machine" could do is one computation. > > "Does this Turing machine configuration halt?" is a > meaningful question. The question usually asked is "Does a given Turing machine halt when started on a blank tape?". Given a Turing machine T and input tape I, it's easy to construct a Turing machine T' such that T' halts when started on a blank tape if and only iff T halts when started on I. ISTM that the notion of a Turing machine configuration (whether by that name or a different one) isn't very useful.