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Re: Small challenge: sort names

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Small challenge: sort names
Date 2026-04-12 06:48 -0700
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
> [...]
>
>> The semantics of !ptr has been codified to mean 1 for null pointers
>> since the original C standard.  Heck, even during the 1970s when C
>> allowed assigning integers directly to pointers, K&R said that
>> assigning 0 to a pointer produces a pointer guaranteed to be
>> different than a pointer to any object.  Any C implementation where
>> !ptr does the wrong thing should be avoided like the plague.
>
> Any C implementation where !ptr does the wrong thing almost certainly
> does not exist.  It's difficult to imagine that a C compiler with
> such a fundamental bug would ever go out the door.

My usual preference is to draw conclusions based on evidence rather
imagination or supposition.

> It's barely possible that compiler that uses a representation other
> than all-bits-zero for null pointers might have such a bug, but
> (a) anyone creating such an implementation will almost certainly
> be extremely careful to get such things right, and (b) I'm not sure
> that any such compilers even exist, except perhaps for old systems
> that would be considered exotic today.

Here again this sounds like just supposition.  How much experience
do you have, and how extensive, using non-mainstream C compilers?
For myself I can't say I much at all, but I have seen one where
believe it or not assert() was implemented wrongly.  assert()!  I
certainly wouldn't have guessed that before actually seeing it.

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  Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-08 10:22 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-08 12:25 -0400
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-08 18:57 +0100
        Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-08 21:04 +0000
          Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-09 00:10 +0300
            Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-08 23:35 +0000
              Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-09 02:59 +0300
                Re: Small challenge: sort names James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-09 06:29 -0400
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-09 15:15 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-11 08:49 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-11 19:59 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 18:50 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-16 19:54 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-17 16:22 +0200
              Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 17:27 -0700
              Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-08 22:14 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-09 02:19 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-09 15:06 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-12 06:35 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-12 14:51 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-13 06:31 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-12 06:48 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-12 16:15 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-25 13:31 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 15:12 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 04:13 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:50 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 05:28 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 12:08 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-26 18:16 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-26 19:37 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 02:17 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-27 09:19 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-26 17:47 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 02:33 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-27 09:34 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 12:35 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-27 13:28 +0100
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 17:02 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-27 17:36 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-27 16:18 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 11:42 +0300
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-27 16:27 +0000
                Assembler verb choice (Was: Small challenge: sort names) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-28 12:59 +0000
                Re: Assembler verb choice (Was: Small challenge: sort names) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-28 16:26 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 12:45 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 12:42 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 12:43 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 12:59 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 13:26 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-27 20:43 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 17:30 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-27 19:15 -0700
                Re: Small challenge: sort names gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-28 12:01 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-28 08:35 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-28 13:27 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-28 15:59 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-28 16:49 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-28 17:25 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-28 23:46 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-28 18:12 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-28 20:28 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-04-28 13:45 +0000
          Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-11 08:44 +0200
        Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-08 17:13 -0400
          Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-11 08:59 +0200
            Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-11 09:34 +0200
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-11 08:31 +0200
      Re: Small challenge: sort names vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-04-28 14:19 +0000
    Re: Small challenge: sort names BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-04-12 13:08 -0500
    What is the point of anything? (Was: Small challenge: sort names) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-17 20:44 +0000
  Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-08 18:46 -0700
  Re: Small challenge: sort names Sort <Sort@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-11 19:15 +0100
  Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 18:24 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-16 18:38 +0100
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-16 19:43 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-18 11:22 +0100
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-18 17:48 +0200
        Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-19 08:44 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-22 05:33 -0400
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 03:16 -0700
        Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-22 07:35 -0400
          Re: Small challenge: sort names Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-23 08:11 -0700
            Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 20:14 +0200
              Re: Small challenge: sort names gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-23 18:30 +0000
        Re: Small challenge: sort names gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-23 17:19 +0000
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-22 14:11 +0200
        Re: Small challenge: sort names James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-22 21:27 -0400
          [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-23 15:51 +0200
            Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-23 14:45 +0000
              Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-23 17:03 +0200
              Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-23 20:31 -0400
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:43 -0700
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-24 16:58 +0000
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2026-04-24 06:57 +0000
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 10:10 +0200
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-24 12:52 +0200
            Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 16:36 -0700
              Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 03:01 +0200
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 18:50 -0700
                Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 20:35 -0700
            Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-24 14:20 +0300
              Re: [OT][meta] Gender (was Re: Small challenge: sort names) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-24 14:32 +0200
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-23 20:10 +0200
        Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-25 10:26 -0400
          Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-26 13:01 +0200
  Re: Small challenge: sort names Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-18 11:16 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-18 08:11 -0400
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-18 14:03 +0100
    Re: Small challenge: sort names Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-20 21:20 +0200
      Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-20 16:43 -0400
        Re: Small challenge: sort names Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:09 +0200
          Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-21 08:46 -0400
            Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 16:08 +0100
              Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-21 11:33 -0400
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 18:25 +0100
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 17:38 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 20:50 +0300
                Re: Small challenge: sort names scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-21 18:22 +0000
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-22 03:48 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 09:18 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 13:22 +0300
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 12:38 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 13:58 +0300
                Re: Small challenge: sort names David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-22 13:13 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-22 14:53 +0200
                Re: Small challenge: sort names DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-21 16:31 -0400
                Re: Small challenge: sort names Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-04-21 23:04 +0100
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-20 14:16 -0700
        An audience of one (Was: Small challenge: sort names) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-21 13:00 +0000
          Re: An audience of one (Was: Small challenge: sort names) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 12:21 -0700
    Re: Small challenge: sort names Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:00 +0200
      Re: Small challenge: sort names Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:06 +0200
  Re: Small challenge: sort names gggggggggggunit <gunitinug@50cent.com> - 2026-04-18 10:19 +0000
    [OT] Shell approach to Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-19 09:35 +0200
      Re: [OT] Shell approach to Re: Small challenge: sort names gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-19 14:18 +0000
        Re: [OT] Shell approach to Re: Small challenge: sort names cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-19 19:32 +0000
          Re: [OT] Shell approach to Re: Small challenge: sort names Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-22 03:34 +0200
  Re: Small challenge: sort names Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 06:53 +0200
    Re: Small challenge: sort names gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-28 13:01 +0000

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