Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: else ladders practice Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 15:29:07 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <86ed2tpqkc.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <3deb64c5b0ee344acd9fbaea1002baf7302c1e8f@i2pn2.org> <86y117qhc8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <86cyiiqit8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <86mshkos1a.fsf@linuxsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:29:08 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cbb822f8f85af8befb29db6227d47c5b"; logging-data="1356360"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19kRicest8JKCgxAc0BAsE2cUWkzcTmY3c=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qWFZPNZLRxWscPz2cUBXT3m2Ef4= sha1:4JnhIGo/hr68Hw9nBtP7ijUO71k= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:389203 Bart writes: > On 28/11/2024 17:28, Janis Papanagnou wrote: > >> On 28.11.2024 15:27, Bart wrote: >> >>>> [ compilation times ] >>> >>> And for me, used to decades of sub-one-second response times, 7 >>> seconds seems like for ever. [...] >> >> Sub-seconds is very important in response times of interactive >> tools; I recall we've measured, e.g. for GUI applications, the >> exact timing, and we've taken into account results of psychological >> sciences. The accepted response times for our applications were >> somewhere around 0.20 seconds, and even 0.50 seconds was by far >> unacceptable. >> >> But we're speaking about compilation times. And I'm a bit >> astonished about a sub-second requirement or necessity. I'm >> typically compiling source code after I've edited it, where the >> latter is by far the most dominating step. And before the editing >> there's usually the analysis of code, that requires even more time >> than the simple but interactive editing process. > > You can make a similar argument about turning on the light switch > when entering a room. Flicking light switches is not something you > need to do every few seconds, but if the light took 5 seconds to > come on (or even one second), it would be incredibly annoying. This analogy sounds like something a defense attorney would say who has a client that everyone knows is guilty.