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From	yeti <yeti@tilde.institute>
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Subject	Re: GOPHER - An Alternative Internet
Date	Wed, 05 Nov 2025 09:24:01 +0042
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John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:

> Followups trimmed to: news.software.nntp

Why <*.nntp>?

<comp.infosystems> (added it) would have fit better?

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IMO oldstyle plain HTTP looks easier to implement[P] than Gopher, and if
you look for maximised simplicity, look at NEX[N].  Serving HTTP over
Gopher or NEX is possible, and HTML over FTP was common in the WWW's
early days.

Back in the 90s Gopher was supported by the default browsers.  Today it
smells like pure nostalgia or separatism.  Browsers were invented as
multi protocol network file viewers to make users' access to documents
easier.  Now they degraded to single protocol network file viewers and
instead of a revolting user base rejecting HTTP-only browsers, the
answer seems more separatism implemented as lots of single protocol
network file viewers for Gemini, Gopher, Guppy, Mole, Nex, Scorpion,
Scroll, Spartan, and more[S].  This is not what the Web and the
browser(s) were meant to be.

                Interoperability created the (Inter)Net.

                 Bring back multi[M] protocol browsers!

____________

[M]: Chawan, Dillo, Elinks, Links, W3M and even Emacs bring back access
     to lots of protocols via the same application, and so does:

       SMOLNET PORTAL
       <https://portal.mozz.us/>

[N]: NEX looks like pure simplicity ...

       NEX INFORMATION CENTER
       <https://portal.mozz.us/nex/nightfall.city/nex/info/>

     ... but there are still some unanswered question:

       THE NEX PROTOCOL
       <https://portal.mozz.us/nex/mozz.us/nex-protocol-notes.txt>

[P]: Sure implementing HTML is a different calibre, but we should
     discuss protocols and text formats independently.

[S]: See ...

       From: Michael Lazar <lazar.michael22@gmail.com>
       Newsgroups: gmane.network.protocols.gemini
       Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
       Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:15:22 -0400
       Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
       Message-ID: <CAFTy05b=VURe-19V3gsP_EXWSopCHsopRU5EXLqYBnWU7ZP3Yw@mail.gmail.com>

     ... which was updated by ...

       <scorpion://zzo38computer.org/smallweb.txt>

     ... but I currently cannot access Scorpion.  There was a copy of it
     in a <comp.infosystem.*> group, but I forgot where I have the
     bookmark.  :-(

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