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Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars?

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On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 7:56:15 PM UTC+1, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> When I started programming from nothing, I saw BASIC examples in a
> book which was doing things like:
>
> 10 X = 2
> 20 X = X + 1
>
> The only language with formulas that I was coming from was math.
>
> So, I thought, what? How can X be equal to X + 1; you cannot solve
> this absurdity!
>
> From then I knew that the people who program computers to understand
> symbols are free thinkers who make them mean anything they want.

"X = X + Y" means "X[t+1] = X[t] + Y[t]" where t is time. Time had to be
omitted from the notation of the BASIC programming language because otherwise
the source code would consume a much larger amount of computer memory and it
would complicate GOTO and FOR/NEXT statements.

-atom
[Interesting take.  In reality, of couse, BASIC borrowed that from Fortran.  Algol
used := for assignment, different from = for equality comparison. -John]

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Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2021-12-29 18:48 +0000
  Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Jan Ziak <0xe2.0x9a.0x9b@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 16:05 -0800
    Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2021-12-30 18:00 +0000
      Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2021-12-30 20:08 +0000
  Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> - 2021-12-29 18:41 -0800
    Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2021-12-30 18:14 +0000
      Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? Jan Ziak <0xe2.0x9a.0x9b@gmail.com> - 2021-12-30 13:47 -0800
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        Re: Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Why are languages usually defined and implemented with ambiguous grammars? mac <acolvin@efunct.com> - 2022-01-03 19:51 +0000
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            Re: for or against equality, was Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-01-04 19:23 +0000
            Re: for or against equality, was Why are ambiguous grammars usually a bad idea? gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> - 2022-01-04 13:26 -0800
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