Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!nerds-end From: Kaz Kylheku <157-073-9834@kylheku.com> Newsgroups: comp.compilers Subject: Re: PhD or books on history of individual languages Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 31 Sender: news@iecc.com Approved: comp.compilers@iecc.com Message-ID: <18-12-002@comp.compilers> References: <18-11-009@comp.compilers> <18-11-010@comp.compilers> <18-11-011@comp.compilers> <18-11-012@comp.compilers> <18-11-015@comp.compilers> Injection-Info: gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="55864"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com" Keywords: history, comment Posted-Date: 02 Dec 2018 12:39:29 EST X-submission-address: compilers@iecc.com X-moderator-address: compilers-request@iecc.com X-FAQ-and-archives: http://compilers.iecc.com X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Xref: csiph.com comp.compilers:2130 On 2018-11-24, Derek M. Jones wrote: > Louis, > >> You might be the person to read some of those papers and write one of >> those books. You'll have a perspective that the language designers >> themselves might not have had. > > I have enough enthusiasm to read them, not write them. > > Historians of computing tend to be primarily hardware based > https://shape-of-code.coding-guidelines.com/2018/03/13/historians-of-computing/ > > Social scientists and English majors are missing out on > writing about an unexplored area of knowledge. Which brings up the point that digging through historic programming languages is not really Ph. D. level work in the field of Computer Science. A Ph. D. thesis is supposed to be a body of research which broadens human understanding in the subject domain. Programming languages are man-made stuff. They were understood quite well by their makers and users. Someone trying to dig up info about some old language nobody uses will end up with even less insight into it than the people who worked with it and on it. A survey of what cranes have been built by what machine companies, and how they worked, wouldn't be Ph. D. work in civil engineering, would it? [It's a fine topic for history of science, where there are plenty of people working on computer history. Look at the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing. -John]