Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!nerds-end From: Martin Ward Newsgroups: comp.compilers Subject: Re: language design after Algol 60, was Add nested-function support Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:10:15 +0100 Organization: Compilers Central Lines: 39 Sender: news@iecc.com Approved: comp.compilers@iecc.com Message-ID: <18-04-063@comp.compilers> References: <49854345-f940-e82a-5c35-35078c4189d5@gkc.org.uk> <18-03-103@comp.compilers> <18-03-042@comp.compilers> <18-03-047@comp.compilers> <18-03-075@comp.compilers> <18-03-079@comp.compilers> <18-03-101@comp.compilers> <18-04-002@comp.compilers> <18-04-003@comp.compilers> <18-04-004@comp.compilers> <18-04-024@comp.compilers> <18-04-034@comp.compilers> <18-04-041@comp.compilers> <18-04-046@comp.compilers> <18-04-050@comp.compilers> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="625"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com" Keywords: history, PL/I Posted-Date: 13 Apr 2018 13:22:45 EDT X-submission-address: compilers@iecc.com X-moderator-address: compilers-request@iecc.com X-FAQ-and-archives: http://compilers.iecc.com X-Received-Bytes: 3197 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3489984747 Xref: csiph.com comp.compilers:2075 > [Syntax is free in the compiler but not necessarily in the brains of > the programmers. Back when I was writing PL/I programs, people said > my code was unreadable because I'd learned PL/I from the reference > manual, while everyone else learned it from books like "PL/I for > Fortran progammers" or "PL/I for commercial programmers." My code > used what seemed reasonable to me but others found it a mishmosh of > stuff they knew and stuff they didn't. -John] The IBM Language Reference for Enterprise PL/I for z/OS is 862 pages. E.W.Dijkstra wrote in his ACM Turing Lecture 1972: "Finally, although the subject is not a pleasant one, I must mention PL/1, a programming language for which the defining documentation is of a frightening size and complexity. Using PL/1 must be like flying a plane with 7000 buttons, switches and handles to manipulate in the cockpit. I absolutely fail to see how we can keep our growing programs firmly within our intellectual grip when by its sheer baroqueness the programming language -- our basic tool, mind you! -- already escapes our intellectual control." He concluded: "We shall do a much better programming job, provided that we approach the task with a full appreciation of its tremendous difficulty, provided that we stick to modest and elegant programming languages, provided that we respect the intrinsic limitations of the human mind and approach the task as Very Humble Programmers." -- Martin Dr Martin Ward | Email: martin@gkc.org.uk | http://www.gkc.org.uk G.K.Chesterton site: http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc | Erdos number: 4 [It was PL/I F, for which the manual was much shorter. The ANSI standard, on the other hand, was and is unreadable, page after page of VDL. -John]