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On 2011-12-15, Joe keane <jgk@panix.com> wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku  <kaz@kylheku.com> wrote:
>>Problem is, you're creating something akin to an assembly language,
>>with instructions that have source and destination operands.
>
> So it looks like... an imperative programming language!

C is not strictly an imperative language. It supports application of
arguments to functions and the use of values in nested expressions.

I would not use macros that required me to write:

  add(t1, b, c);
  add(t2, y, z);
  mul(result, a, x);
  return result;

instead of just:

  return mul(add(b,c), add(y,z));

> Some typical code:

Stop writing typical code!

>     int f(struct foo *foo)
>     {
> 	...
>
> 	err = foo_get_bar(foo, q, &bar);
>
> 	if (err != 0)
> 	    ...

Still too functional; I think you wanted:

    foo_get_bar(foo, q, &bar, &err);

	if (err != 0)

:)

What if I we don't need individual error handling for these cases?  Suppose all
we care about is detecting whether an error happened somewhere.

For that I would like a sequencing macro OR with the following
properties: OR(A, B, C, ...) is like A || B || C ...
except that instead of returning 1 or 0, returns the first
nonzero value among A, B, C...

Then I could write:

 if ((err = OR(foo_get_bar(foo, q, &bar),
               bar_get_box(bar, p, &box),
			   ...)))
 {
   /* we have an error: abort mission */
 }

We can use || but then we don't know what the error is. One way to solve
that is to just return a 0/1 indication, and use some global interface
to get to the error.

Another thing is that maybe we can design the API to accept nulls gracefully.
That is to say, suppose foo_get_bar fails? It can return null, and bar_get_box
can handle a null and just also return null:

   a = box_frobnz(bar_get_box(foo_get_bar(foo, q), z);

   if (!a) {
      /* ourlib_geterror() has the messy details */
   }

There is no reason that anyone in the year 2011 should write so many lines of
code with so much error checking just to navigate through a three-level
hierarchy to retrieve something.
[I don't disagree, but this is rapidly heading toward semicolon placement
territory. -John]

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Looking for volunteers for XL Christophe de Dinechin <christophe@taodyne.com> - 2011-11-22 21:03 -0800
  Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-26 05:43 +0000
  Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Christophe de Dinechin <christophe@taodyne.com> - 2011-11-26 12:38 -0800
    Re: Looking for volunteers for XL "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-11-26 23:19 +0000
      Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Christophe de Dinechin <christophe@taodyne.com> - 2011-11-27 12:34 -0800
        Re: Looking for volunteers for XL "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-11-27 22:24 +0000
          Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Christophe de Dinechin <christophe@taodyne.com> - 2011-11-28 14:12 -0800
            Re: Looking for volunteers for XL ardjussi <jussi.santti@ard.fi> - 2011-11-30 13:16 -0800
              Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-01 05:44 +0000
                Re: overloading, was Looking for volunteers for XL glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-12-02 05:36 +0000
          Re: Looking for volunteers for XL tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2012-01-03 09:28 -0800
      Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-28 04:45 +0000
        Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Timothy Knox <tdk@thelbane.com> - 2011-11-27 22:50 -0800
          Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-12-01 12:11 -0800
        Re: Looking for volunteers for XL "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-11-28 10:23 +0000
          Re: Looking for volunteers for XL glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-11-29 07:37 +0000
            Re: macros, Looking for volunteers for XL Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-12-03 17:36 -0800
              Re: macros, Looking for volunteers for XL glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-12-05 04:24 +0000
          Re: Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-01 05:35 +0000
            Re: designing language extensions, was Looking for volunteers for XL Marco van de Voort <marcov@toad.stack.nl> - 2011-12-03 13:02 +0000
            Re: Looking for volunteers for XL jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-13 00:08 +0000
              Re: macros, was Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 01:39 +0000
                Re: macros, was Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-14 19:00 +0000
                Re: macros, was Looking for volunteers for XL jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-15 15:40 +0000
                Re: macros, was Looking for volunteers for XL Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-16 17:48 +0000
        Re: Looking for volunteers for XL glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-11-28 10:26 +0000

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