Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Rentsch Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 17:05:36 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Message-ID: <86plk73fz3.fsf@linuxsc.com> References: <20241128185548.000031c9@yahoo.com> <2024Nov30.072829@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Nov30.123536@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Nov30.175756@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130193206.00005c49@yahoo.com> <2024Nov30.190858@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130202851.00005eca@yahoo.com> <2024Dec1.102826@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <86jzcjo1uw.fsf@linuxsc.com> <86zfkbaj3n.fsf@linuxsc.com> <86v7uy9epq.fsf@linuxsc.com> <86wmf589uc.fsf@linuxsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:05:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1612c1484c3aeea3b113b4fe0f3b985e"; logging-data="1423392"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+TArC3llB7BK/5H5iDotrd00sCH13GIEY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wiGXpSDw5M600nQedsHqE3qfRzQ= sha1:2dDQ97oj44icroWx0qFo4A9c7sM= Xref: csiph.com comp.arch:110639 Thomas Koenig writes: > Tim Rentsch schrieb: > >> Thomas Koenig writes: >> >>> Tim Rentsch schrieb: >>> >>>> Thomas Koenig writes: >>>> >>>>> Tim Rentsch schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Thomas Koenig writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Rentsch schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thomas Koenig writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think "ALU can add up to n-bit numbers" is a reasonable >>>>>>>>> definition for an n-bit architecture, which also fits the >>>>>>>>> 16-bit 68000. It does not fit the 360/30, or the Nova (but >>>>>>>>> see de Castro's remark on the latter). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me, the phrase "n-bit architecture" should depend only on >>>>>>>> such characteristics as are defined by the architecture, and >>>>>>>> not depend on features of a particular implementation. The >>>>>>>> 360/30 has a 32-bit (or is it 64-bit?) architecture, but only >>>>>>>> an 8-bit implementation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I may add a personal note, it's disappointing that postings >>>>>>>> in a group nominally devoted to computer architecture routinely >>>>>>>> ignore the distinction between architecture and implementation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm well aware of that distinction. >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect most of the folks who participate in comp.arch are >>>>>> aware of the distinction. What I find disappointing are >>>>>> postings that ignore or blur the distinction, so it's hard >>>>>> to tell where one domain ends and the other begins. >>>>> >>>>> If you find discussions about how certain times were used >>>>> in the past disappointing... [..] >>>> >>>> That isn't what I said, nor was it what I meant. >>> >>> If it walks like a duck... >> >> That is nothing but a gratuitous personal insult. Why do you >> engage in such conduct? > > You quoted what I wrote out of context, and then expressed your > disappointment at what I wrote. No, I didn't. I took some time just now to review the entire thread. Nothing of what I said about disappointment was about anything you wrote in any of those postings. > I restored the context, and > you said you didn't mean what you had said. Again, no. I didn't mean what you thought I had said. And that wasn't what I said. > And I find no insult in what I wrote, but as you are a native > speaker, you may find something in there that I didn't put in. I think most native speakers of English would read the statement "If it walks like a duck..." as an indirect way of calling me a liar. In polite society I think most people would take being called a liar as an insult.