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From: Tim Rentsch
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Subject: Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 00:40:24 -0700
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David Schultz writes:
> On 2/14/26 10:57 PM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> David Schultz writes:
>>
>>> On 1/22/26 6:13 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>
>>>> The timber of instruments requires phase accurate reproduction of
>>>> frequencies up to at least 15KHz.
>>>
>>> Define "phase accurate". As in how much phase error at say 20KHz is
>>> acceptable to you. 1 degree? 10?
>>
>> Between 2 and 10 degrees, based on a rough calculation.
>>
>>> And how do you maintain that through the signal chain? In, for
>>> example, speaker crossover networks.
>>
>> One way of doing that is to drive full-range electrostats
>> directly from the output stage of the amplifier.
>
> A big panel launching a wave front at you. All with varying
> distances/phase to your ear.
One of the main points of using a panel speaker is they produce a
plane wave rather than a collection of point sources. Undoubtedly
there are some second-order effects because the panels have finite
size but for the most part the phase is uniform over a fairly large
area.
> I love my Maggies but if I move my head even a few inches up or down
> the high frequencies roll off enough for even my old lead ears to
> notice.
Magnepans and Magneplanars are okay. I didn't ever own Magnepans
but I did own Magneplanars for a while and liked them. They weren't
as good as the electrostats. I suspect the main reason for that is
the much larger diaphragm mass of the Magneplanars, which causes its
own kind of problems, including in particular frequency-dependent
phase lag. I can say for sure that the electrostats were more
transparent than the Magneplanars, even as good as they Magneplanars
were.
Regarding the high-frequency roll off - it's likey this does occur
(high frequencies do beam after all) but in my experience it doesn't
affect the listening experience much. Maybe that's because when I
listen I tend to be stationary rather than moving. Also the ear is
more sensitive to changes in phase than changes in amplitude.