Re: Supermarkets lose billions from self serve checkouts

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.cars, aus.tv, aus.politics, aus.computers
Subject	Re: Supermarkets lose billions from self serve checkouts
Date	2016-07-26 06:21 +1000
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BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Jeßus <j@j.j> wrote
>>>>>>> Sandgroper <woodbudgie@DROPKNICKERSgmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> The supermarket pricks deserve to get ripped off.

>>>>>>> Wholly deserving of it (Woolworths and Coles). The way they rip
>>>>>>> off small manufacturers, dairy producers, and nearby competitors.

>>>>>>>> The scumbags wanted to save money by not paying any wages
>>>>>>>> and denying people a job by using the self service machines.

>>>>>>>> I absolutely refuse to use the self service in a
>>>>>>>> supermarket as it takes away a job from  someone.

>>>>>>> Agreed. From what I have seen, they're a real PITA to use anyway.

>>>>>> Like hell they are. They work fine.

>>>>> so you'd rather interact with a machine than a person.

>>>> Yep. Works much better than the checkout monkeys.

>>> When I have few enough items, I always look first for an open 
>>> self-check.

>> I do it all the time, and get pissed off with Coles that opens
>> the self checkouts later than the manned checkouts because
>> they need an extra person to supervise them.

> Ours are usually labeled as limited to 12 (or 15) items or fewer.

The self checkouts ?  Ours never have any label like that.

> Coles is being silly opening the self checkouts later.

Nope, just irritating.

> They can leave just one of the others closed and have that one person 
> supervise a bunch of self checkouts.

When the self checkouts are close there is just the
one manned checkout operating and just the one
person in that area that does everything, including
flog the cigarettes and do the returns etc.

There are other staff in the store, but just the
shelf stackers in the fresh fruit and veg area
that early and usually only the one there too.

We've just had Woolys proclaim that they are going
to sack 500 staff and close the least productive stores
and it will be interesting to see if they go the same
route. Woolys have a lot more staff up the front when
the supermarket has just opened and always open the
self checkouts at the same time as the manned ones.

The other major chain here, Super IGA, doesn’t have
any self checkouts and only has the one manned
checkout operating very early and again the one
person who does everything, flog the fags and
does the returns until the volume builds up
enough to open more checkouts.

Our Aldi is still being built, but they don’t have any
self checkouts either.

We do have one other major supermarket, Foodland,
but no self checkouts there either. I don’t go there
often enough just after they have opened to be
able to say how many manned checkouts they
have open initially, think it is just one too.

Woolys has been stupid enough to have two supermarkets
in our town of just 50K people, it will be interesting to see
if they close the one they have just opened after one hell
of a local shit fight to allow them to build that. It never
made any sense at all to have two in this town and even
less sense now that Aldi is now building their own now.

>>> They're far faster to use, and I don't have to worry about the cashier 
>>> entering the wrong code for produce and overcharging.

>> I don’t get that often enough to matter.

>>> These stations work so well, and so reliably, that on the rare occasion 
>>> that there's a problem it's very annoying.

>> I don’t find it very annoying, but like you say it is very rare.

> If it happened at all often we'd be used to it.

I'd actually get quite annoyed if it happened
much, and don’t mind at all when it is very rare.

> As it is, it's such an unusual situation, it really does annoy me.  I 
> still get through faster than if I used a manned station though.

Yeah, I do too. I do most of my supermarket shopping very
early, just after the garage sales have finished, and so there
is almost always a free self checkout when I need one except
at Coles when they haven't opened any of them that early.

>>> Of course they then have the one cashier who oversees six to twelve 
>>> stations come over and take care of it.

>> And that person is usually more skilled
>> than the average checkout monkey too.

> We (US) are having a push for higher minimum wage, so it makes good
> business sense to hire a smaller number of more skilled people.

And your minimum wage is much lower than ours are.

>>> As unskilled workers continue to demand higher pay (well beyond their 
>>> time's worth) and automated systems continue to get cheaper and better, 
>>> we'll see more low-skill jobs replaced by machines.

>> And even if they don’t demand higher wages too.

>> Its obviously much cheaper to have the one person there
>> for 6 or 12 self checkouts than one for each manned one.

>> I'll have the cheaper prices that allows thanks.

> Same here.  The push for higher wages just accelerates a process that will 
> happen regardless.  The whiners aren't so much arguing themselves out of 
> their jobs as making it happen faster.

True.

>>>> When Telecom first did their new system that allowed you
>>>> to pay your bill with an automated system at their end, it
>>>> got so overloaded initially that when I tried to use it it fell
>>>> back to the usual call center monkey. She was pretty pissed
>>>> when I said I wanted to use the new automated system.

>>>> I actually automated my end so my machine talked to theirs.

>>>>> that's sad.

>>>> I'm not so desperate that I need to talk to checkout monkeys.

>>> While I don't agree with the characterization, I certainly agree with 
>>> the sentiment.  Just how lonely and pathetic does someone need to be to 
>>> look forward to their time with a cashier?

>> Yeah, rather pathetic.

>>> Why not pay all bills in person instead of using automated or electronic 
>>> payments while we're at it?

>> He probably does.

> LOL.  We pay all of our bills either with automatic drafts or with online 
> bill pay.

Yeah, me too.

> If I ever get so lonely and pathetic that I want to go out of my way to do 
> these things in person just for the brief
> human contact, I think I'll be able to find a better outlet.

I know I could.

> I could join a church,

I wouldn’t be game, some vengeful god would be sure
to set fire to it if a heathen like me showed up and that
would ruin the day just a tad for the rest of them.

> take up chess in the park, play bingo, or something else like that.

Yeah, some of my mates are into U3A etc for that.

> I highly doubt any of that will be needed.

I know it isnt in my case. It’s a very rare day indeed that
I don’t talk to someone in person or on the phone.

>>> Just think of the scintillating conversations you could have every
>>> month with the wonderful folks at the utility company, the phone
>>> company, the garbage company, etc.!  If you timed it right, you might be 
>>> able to avoid ever going more than three or four days without one of 
>>> these life-affirming interactions!

>> And if you can't get a landline and chat to the spam callers.
>> You can even get one for free if you are a desperate pov.

> I guess we all have our differences, and we shouldn't laugh at someone 
> else's life choices for social interaction.  But I will anyway.

Yeah, me too.

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