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Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia

From occam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia
Date 2026-01-28 15:38 +0100
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On 28/01/2026 13:44, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> 
>> On 27/01/2026 23:34, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/01/2026 11:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A little while ago (in connection with the Erin Patterson case) I made
>>>>>> the comment that as far as fungi are concerned, unusually, Australia
>>>>>> is no deadlier than anywhere else in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have subsequently learned that Amanita phalloides is only native to
>>>>>> Europe and North Africa; it has been accidentally introduced with
>>>>>> trees (it's mycorrhizal) to North America (late C.19), Australia (mid
>>>>>> to late C.20), & a few other places.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's one of those things that evolution cannot explain.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution does not revolve around humans. Any living entity (plant,
>>>> animal, virus) can evolve. They each have their reasons for evolving one
>>>> way or another. Unless you believe that God created mushrooms only to be
>>>> eaten by humans - in which case your next question makes sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What's in it for those mushrooms to be that deadly to humans?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe this isn't the best of all possible worlds after all,
>>>
>>> The problem is with naive evolutionism,
>>> which holds that evolution optimises everything.
>>
>> Not 'optimises'. Maximises survival.
>>
>>> (nothing to do with humans in particular)
>>
>> That is what I said, further up.
>>
>>>
>>> And hence that organisms have no business having properties
>>> that are of no use to them.
>>>
>>
>> Re-read Snidely's comment further up.
> 
> At your orders, Sir!
> 
>> It is probably a defence mechanism
>> against animals (not necessarily humans) who like to eat the plant.
>> Survival, 'naive evolutionism' my arse.
> 
> You yourself are a naive evolutionist.

No. 'Naive' is your current accusation (read 'survival mechanism') for
dismissing anyone who contradicts you, or points out the double-Dutch in
what you write.

(I wish I knew a bit more Dutch, so that I could decode your English
better.)

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Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-24 11:36 +0100
  Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 03:06 -0800
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-01-26 15:53 +0100
      Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-01-26 16:40 +0100
        Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-01-26 17:23 +0100
          Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-26 17:39 +0000
      Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 15:29 -0800
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-28 16:34 +0000
  Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-26 17:36 +0000
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-26 20:55 +0100
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-01-26 21:02 +0100
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-01-26 21:10 +0100
      Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-27 14:43 +0000
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-28 16:30 +0000
  Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-01-27 13:32 +0100
    Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-27 23:34 +0100
      Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 17:56 -0800
        Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-28 13:44 +0100
          Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-28 14:27 +0000
            Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-01-28 16:42 +0000
              Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-01-29 08:33 +1100
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            Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-28 21:25 +0100
              Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-01-29 01:19 +0000
                Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-29 10:27 +0100
      Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-01-28 11:54 +0100
        Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-28 13:44 +0100
          Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-01-28 15:38 +0100
            Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-28 21:25 +0100
        Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-01-28 14:59 +0000
          Re: Deadly mushrooms in Australia nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-28 21:25 +0100

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