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Kermit binary xfer to TOPS-10

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Text works but binary does not. When I try, I get disconnected back to
the host system.

 kermit
C-Kermit 10.0.416 Beta.12, 2025/03/22, for Linux+SSL (64-bit)
 Copyright (C) 1985, 2025,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
  Open Source 3-clause BSD license since 2011.
Type ? or HELP for help.
(~/) C-Kermit>show terminal

Terminal parameters:
   Bytesize: Command: 8 bits              Terminal: 8 bits
                Type: VT220                  Print: off
                Echo: remote         Locking-shift: off
        Newline-mode: off               Cr-display: normal
                 APC: on              Autodownload: on, error stop
              Height: 37                     Width: 116
               Debug: off              Session log: (none)
        Idle-timeout: 0                Idle-action: return
          Lf-display: normal               Suspend: on
             Trigger: (none)

 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled
 Terminal character-set: utf8 (remote) utf8 (local)
(~/) C-Kermit>
(~/) C-Kermit>set host fatalis.lan 2030
 DNS Lookup...  Trying 192.168.20.59...  Reverse DNS Lookup... (OK)
 fatalis connected on port 2030
(~/) C-Kermit>connect
Connecting to host fatalis:2030
 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.
----------------------------------------------------


Connected to the KL-10 simulator TTY device, line 0


% INTFCR File command error   <--not sure what this is

KL+NETMON-704 09:28:29 TTY4 system 1025
Connected to Node NERGIG(15) Line # 4
Please LOGIN 

.login
Job 3  KL+NETMON-704  TTY4
#jayjwa
Password:
[LGNLAS Last access to [30,1] succeeded on  1-Jan-99:22:00:12]
09:28    2-Jan-99   Saturday

.dir hello.* 


HELLO   BCP     1  <057>   29-Dec-98    DSKB:   [30,1]
HELLO   REL     1  <057>   29-Dec-98
HELLO   EXE    16  <057>   29-Dec-98
  Total of 18 blocks in 3 files on DSKB: [30,1]

.r k10mit

TOPS-10 KERMIT version 3(135)
Kermit-10>send hello.bcp
, Sp\ @-#Y1~C
----------------------------------------------------
Fullscreen display not supported for terminal type: VT100
F
X to cancel file,  CR to resend current packet
Z to cancel group, A for status report
E to send Error packet, Ctrl-C to quit immediately:
HELLO.BCP => hello.bcp
Size: unknown, Type: binary
    File   Percent       Packet
    Bytes  Done     CPS  Length
       80  100%     143       5  [OK]
ZB
----------------------------------------------------
Kermit-10>   

This works. But it chokes on binaries (even though it says Type: binary
above) and disconnects me back to the host.

.r k10mit

TOPS-10 KERMIT version 3(135)
Kermit-10>send hello.exe
, Sp\ @-#Y1~C
----------------------------------------------------
Warning: terminal type unknown: "VT100"  <-- always complains, no matter what
Fullscreen file transfer display disabled.
SF
X to cancel file,  CR to resend current packet
Z to cancel group, A for status report
E to send Error packet, Ctrl-C to quit immediately:
HELLO.EXE => hello.exe
Size: unknown, Type: binary
    File   Percent       Packet
    Bytes  Done     CPS  Length
     1433    0%    2089      93 %N%N%N%N%N%N%N%N%N%N%N%
?Too many retries.
E
(~/) C-Kermit>       <-- bounced back to host here

At this point I have to re-connect back to TOPS-10. It won't take
EIGHTBIT in the tty.ini line even though the manual says it should.

.type sys:tty.ini
ALL:    KSYS CHECK:DEFAULT TEXT
CTY:    FILL 0 GALOPR NO REMOTE ACCOUNT "SYSTEM"
APC:LAT NOCHECK TYPE:VT100
APC:CTERM       NOCHECK TYPE:VT100
TTY0-64:        TYPE:VT100 SPEED 9600 LC FILE 0 NO REMOTE NOTICE
STOMP   ACCOUNT "SYSTEM"
.

The SIMH pdp10-kl line commands:
# FE Terminal Interfaces
set tty 8b   
attach tty -U 2030

My guess is the line isn't 8bit clean because during the transfer I get
sent back to the host system. How to send binaries with Kermit and why
does it only allow text but call it binary?  I've tried with VT100 and
VT200 set in both Kermit and TOPS-10's TTY.INI. Both text and binary
work with TOPS-20 and its Kermit. It seems like there should be a way to
do this.

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