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Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?

From	Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, alt.usage.english
Subject	Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ?
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Date	2022-11-12 18:08 +0000
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Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> schrieb:
> On 11/12/2022 4:50 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 12/11/22 12:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2022 03:45, Rich Alderson wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Then that's a function of your failing memory.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Thank you, and also Bob for the doc link.
>>>>
>>>> I really liked the PDP-10 instruction set. OTOH, it was my first!
>>>
>>> I thought it was the acme of instruction sets. Everything was
>>> downhill from there.
>> 
>> I still give top score to the PDP-11. OK, it was not as powerful as the
>> PDP-10, but the design of its addressing modes was brilliant.
>
> Agree.  The PDP-10 instruction set was the acme in orthogonality,
> but at the cost of having too many no-ops.  All in all, it was
> doomed by the limitation of fixed length instructions
> architecture.

Fixed length instruction is not a problem per se, as can
be seen from numerous RISC chips.

But it would have been interesting to see what a 72-bit
version (who needs a tiny 64-bit address space, anyway :-)
would have looked like.

> Byte-addressable and variable length instructions was the
> future and IBM got it right, if not being the first one to
> do so.

The /360 was indeed groundbreaking.  The eight-bit byte (even if
it was motivated by BCD) changed computers in a fundamental way.
It also had its faults, lots of them, found in hindsight and later
corrected in subsequent revisions and in other instruction set
architectures.

>> Once microprocessors started to appear, it was obvious (from the
>> instruction sets) which designers had an IBM computer background and
>> which ones had a DEC computer background. 
>> And, just as with mainframes,
>> it soon became clear that there was no correlation between elegance of
>> design and market dominance.
>
> Elegance is hard to compare without a common set of desiderata.

There is a kind of elegance to more or less pure RISC designs like
the MIPS and the Alpha, but they have their warts, too.

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Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-06 18:18 +0000
  Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 17:10 -0500
    Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 17:18 -0500
      Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-06 22:22 +0000
        Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-06 22:32 -0600
        Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 23:46 -0500
        Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-11-08 15:03 -0700
          Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 22:42 +0000
            Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 22:49 -0500
              Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-11-09 13:48 -0700
            Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-08 23:21 -0600
              Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-09 18:36 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-09 13:06 -0600
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-09 19:49 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-09 21:32 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-09 23:29 -0600
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-11 22:16 -0600
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-10 10:57 -0600
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-09 23:14 -0600
            Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-11-09 13:46 -0700
      Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-11-08 14:52 -0700
        Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 22:44 -0500
          Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-09 06:04 -0700
            Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-11-09 09:06 -0500
              Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-09 13:11 -0500
              Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-11-09 15:35 -0700
              Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-10 12:04 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 21:09 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-10 23:18 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-10 22:45 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 21:30 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-11 22:47 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-11 19:52 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-12 10:16 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-11 18:16 -0700
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2022-11-12 20:50 +1100
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2022-11-12 08:07 -0600
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 11:42 -0700
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-12 19:38 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:32 +1100
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 15:32 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-12 12:55 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-12 18:42 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-12 19:25 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-12 14:41 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:36 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-15 06:05 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 14:38 -0700
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                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-13 05:42 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-13 09:55 +0000
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-12 12:36 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-12 18:08 +0000
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                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-12 14:14 -0500
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                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? Tak To <takto@alum.mit.eduxx> - 2022-11-12 14:59 -0500
                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-13 10:04 +0000
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                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-13 21:03 +0000
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                Re: do some Americans write their 1's in this way ? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-12 11:22 +0000
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