Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news-1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!news.informatik.hu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Speed" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:40:52 +1000 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <7fb88b43-77a9-4f0e-badc-d1bce20a84d5@googlegroups.com> <55a835e3$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net VAnDDGrQgzbucrET1P92lA3rfnUoiwFtNkPANmI1nDE+xMuiY= Cancel-Lock: sha1:aEosItxfREjFbUMSFf/AqdoOY+g= In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Xref: aioe.org alt.folklore.computers:148410 "Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:gycqx.374376$ij7.262108@fx02.iad... > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: >>On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-4, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> >>> To put the problem in perspective, Cato Institute (I can't believe I'm >>> actually citing them) calculated that welfare pays better than full-time >>> job paying $20/hr, i.e. two to three times the minimum wage. >> >>I'd be real careful in quoting Cato or Reason, both groups play fast and >>furious with figures and facts. >> >>As to your example, while I don't know the actual numbers, the number of >>newspaper and journal articles on the hardships of being on welfare >>suggest it is not a very good deal. >> > > I think everyone here should first agree on a definition of "welfare". Its really not that important whether it includes the cash based means tested payments by govt or also the other non cash based means tested stuff like food stamps etc, it clearly is welfare when the govt does it. > Particularly Stephen's definition. The definition _must_ include all > programs that are considered by all participants in this thread to be > welfare programs. You'll never get the agreement by all participants, particularly with corporate welfare and middle class welfare with stuff like child payments and income tax deductions for kids etc which are welfare even when paid to the middle class.