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Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks

From Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks
Date 2022-11-02 15:15 -0300
Organization Bridgewater Institute for Advanced Study - Blacksmith Shop
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> The co-opting is now done by those who are trying to use "they" as
> a genderless singluar pronoun.  What we really need is a completely
> new set of pronouns, e.g.
> 
>     xie (subject)
>     xis (possessive)
>     xir (object)

Thereby pulling undefined orthography out of thin air.  How do you
pronounce those?  In Nova Scotia, there is an increasing and welcome
recognition of the Micmac people whose turf this was before Europeans
snarfed it away from them.  But no one other than tenured academics
knows how to derive correct (or even reasonable) pronunciation from
the orthography chosen to write Micmac words.  There's no way for even
an educated and literate person to guess that Pijinuiskaq (the name
of a new park in Bridgewater, NS that replaces an ugly parking lot) is
pronounced "be-jn-oo-is-gah".  Not to mention the apparently (if not
technically) gratuitous apostrophes in words such as Mi'kmaw (the now
politically correct version of the deprecated Micmac.)


> If you want to pick nits about dative and accusative cases, try
> 
>     xim (indirect object)
>     xir (direct object)
> 
> Leave "they" alone.  It's plural.

Just so.

Will we soon hear about "Tasty Liberation"?  No more rude "fuvgrngre", no
more intellectual evasions such as "coprophage" or journalistic
"differently dieted".  It's Tasty.

Digressing, even LGBTQ is a poor choice, along the same lines as PETA
(People Eating Tasty Animals) or the Canadian Reform Alliance Party
acronym.  How many people intuitively read that poorly chosen
abbreviation as Lets Go Bash The Queers?

Language is the salient, arguably the defining, attribute that
differentiates humans from non-humans.  Don't carelessly (or, for that
matter, belligerently, pig-headedly) shpx it up.


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:09 -0500
  Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:26 +0100
    Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-10-30 01:07 -0300
        Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:49 -0500
    Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-29 19:09 +0000
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:55 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-30 21:07 +0000
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:53 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 10:24 -0700
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-30 19:15 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 18:41 -0400
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 23:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-01 13:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-01 10:00 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-01 14:50 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2022-11-02 18:02 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-01 19:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 15:02 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: genders, self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-11-02 17:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:15 -0300
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 09:01 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 11:28 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 15:41 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:52 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 11:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:02 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 22:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-09 00:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-09 13:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 18:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 13:04 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-09 19:54 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-10 10:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-11 19:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-09 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 17:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-12 09:30 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-12 22:34 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-13 17:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-13 18:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-13 23:57 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 12:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-13 15:31 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-17 18:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-17 17:13 -0700
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-19 11:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-19 11:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-13 15:31 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-13 23:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:44 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 14:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:58 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 15:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 16:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 16:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 17:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 22:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 16:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 17:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 20:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 19:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 20:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-15 04:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 21:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-15 10:33 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 18:25 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 18:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 21:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 18:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-14 15:30 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 15:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-05 23:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-06 19:43 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 21:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:07 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-07 22:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 22:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 15:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-08 16:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 18:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 12:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-08 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-07 22:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 14:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 12:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-06 12:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-06 14:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-06 11:44 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 10:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:21 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-09 18:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 09:26 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-11 15:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 17:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:14 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-07 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-07 11:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 15:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 16:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 16:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:58 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 14:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-08 06:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:56 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:56 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-07 18:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:11 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-07 19:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-07 19:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 14:04 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-05 12:27 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-05 12:33 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-06 18:11 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2022-11-07 20:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-07 12:53 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-07 14:15 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-07 15:23 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:02 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:59 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:46 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-08 12:47 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:06 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:43 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-08 16:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-08 17:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-08 17:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 12:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2022-11-08 01:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 07:34 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 10:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-03 16:19 -0300
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 09:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:52 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-11-01 16:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-11-01 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:30 -0300
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:20 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-02 17:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:15 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:28 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:24 -0300
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:55 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-01 09:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 16:17 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 17:43 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:09 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-03 10:01 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-03 11:24 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-02 21:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 15:59 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 22:03 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-03 09:15 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:33 -0300
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 20:19 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:43 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:34 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 17:59 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-05 20:13 -0500
    Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-10-29 19:23 +0000

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